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8th Apr 2023

Stewardship of instructors

Welcome back Within Thin Lines.

In this episode, the Cadre of WTL come together and express their values and experience as stewards of instructors.

Join us in our conversation about how an instructor should be, and the traits that make an instructor a leader.

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"While Excellence is the Responsibility of those amongst these Thin Lines, the Discipline is Strengthened from Within."

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Transcript
VINCE:

And this is where it excites me because we, we, we change the

VINCE:

culture behind this this stigma that we have in EMS and fire and law and

VINCE:

nursing, is that like, why can't we be training as a conversation, right?

VINCE:

Why can't we influence this positive conversation of education, and this is

VINCE:

exactly the reason why we're doing the tonight's episode, is really talk about

VINCE:

the stewardship of instructors, right?

VINCE:

So without further ado, something that we have forgotten to do.

VINCE:

Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening.

VINCE:

Welcome back with lines.

VINCE:

My name is Vince and I've got the entourage here to my left

VINCE:

on the virtual world, right?

VINCE:

Cause you're, I don't know if the camera's following me.

VINCE:

Busho back.

VINCE:

Hope everything's well.

VINCE:

We've also got Dan Strike and Steve, here I am.

VINCE:

Nice.

VINCE:

Oh, he's pouring himself a little something tasty.

VINCE:

And then Steven Hines is on the the virtual end of the zoom as well.

VINCE:

And today's is Hayden, who is a, was a Currenting student for

VINCE:

our T E C CT Triple C world.

VINCE:

And is now being processed into the instructor position to be part of

VINCE:

that team and have this conversation amongst each other as a testimonial.

VINCE:

I wanted to get a voice outside of us cause it seems like we're

VINCE:

always preaching this whole mindset of education and reinforcement.

VINCE:

But I have somebody from the outside saying, Hey, you know what?

VINCE:

I like what you guys are doing.

VINCE:

I like the way you're doing it.

VINCE:

Just enforce our, our real realism behind it.

VINCE:

And the fact that he quotes our episodes and some of the statements and the

VINCE:

knowledge, and he comes to this show.

VINCE:

He's driven two and a half hours just to have the conversation.

VINCE:

Now he is going off with Dan about ketamine.

VINCE:

This whole thing just ignited to a score.

VINCE:

You know what I mean?

VINCE:

A, we actually got listeners.

VINCE:

That's, that's awesome.

VINCE:

But b, we have somebody who's been influenced by our culture

VINCE:

and our our ch our movement here.

VINCE:

So much so that he actually wants to come be part of it.

VINCE:

That is that is a key aspect here.

VINCE:

So nonetheless Mr.

VINCE:

Hayden, or Lieutenant, what did I call you earlier?

VINCE:

I don't remember.

VINCE:

I don't remember either.

VINCE:

Introduce yourself.

VINCE:

Tell us who you are, where you're from, what you're doing, why you're here.

HAYDEN:

My name's Hayden.

HAYDEN:

I grew up in Crystal Lake, Illinois, about two hours outside of where Vince lives.

HAYDEN:

Lieutenant Paramedic small department right outside Chicago.

HAYDEN:

Enjoyed the tactical realm of medicine, doing it in an austere environment

HAYDEN:

where there's not lights everywhere you go took the class, enjoyed it a lot.

HAYDEN:

Also teach paramedic program where I went.

HAYDEN:

I went back and taught just to pay it forward.

HAYDEN:

And it's, I think that's what we can do is if you, if you enjoy something,

HAYDEN:

it's helping other people find their love to enjoy it as much as you do.

HAYDEN:

So that's my main goal for going back and teaching.

HAYDEN:

How do you know that?

HAYDEN:

I love what I do.

HAYDEN:

You're very passionate about it.

HAYDEN:

I can tell.

HAYDEN:

That's right.

VINCE:

I feel like we are very passionate about it and I, I appreciate the fact

VINCE:

that we, we are a little different of a program and I, I, I definitely enforce

VINCE:

the and embrace that difference and the mindset of we are trying to break the

VINCE:

stigma of the instructor versus student.

VINCE:

That there's no inferior, no superior, but ultimately is to give the steering

VINCE:

wheel to the student of the program.

VINCE:

Like this, this class is, is gonna be exactly what you want it to be, plus

VINCE:

more if you want it to be a, and I hate these words and it's not my vocabulary.

VINCE:

You want it to be a walkthrough and you want it to be a familiarization

VINCE:

or a what do you call it?

VINCE:

A crawl phase.

VINCE:

Like just get out cuz you're in the wrong.

VINCE:

That's not what we're gonna do here.

VINCE:

We're gonna do the actual lessons that you need to know.

VINCE:

You're gonna learn it by hands on.

VINCE:

And we, we all work in a world where hands on training works best for us.

VINCE:

You can't really, yeah, it's important to read and, and look at articles and

VINCE:

understand PowerPoints, but you're not gonna remember that you can't

VINCE:

learn how to set an IV by reading.

VINCE:

You gotta do it.

VINCE:

And that's the same thing

DAN:

One of the things I think we pride ourselves on is developing

DAN:

relationships with our students.

DAN:

Listen, 45 minutes was a little long, Vince, you know what I'm saying?

DAN:

. Cause we had somebody timing that.

DAN:

But I say we take pride in getting to know when you come in through the

DAN:

door, we come up and shake your hand.

DAN:

I want to get to know you.

DAN:

What gives you passion behind what you do?

DAN:

Many times you go into a class and you are with your instructor and they're

DAN:

just feeding you the information.

DAN:

But you don't get to know 'em on a personal level.

DAN:

You don't get to see that passion.

DAN:

Not saying that it's not there, but we wanna show you that we're passionate,

DAN:

that you are there and that we're excited to give you the education.

VINCE:

What do you think?

VINCE:

This goes all the way back to, I guess the first position I was

VINCE:

in when it came to instruction.

VINCE:

When I was put into an FTO role maybe I was delegated that because they

VINCE:

saw that I was willing to work with individuals who were struggling.

VINCE:

An old agency I used to work for, it was one medic and two

VINCE:

EMTs on the ambulance, right?

VINCE:

We were a 9 1 1 in facility here and there, but that was really per membership.

VINCE:

If somebody had in a town or county were in, had a membership to our facility,

VINCE:

we would help them out that way.

VINCE:

But we were generally 9 1 1 calls.

VINCE:

Definitely it was a volunteer organization.

VINCE:

So you're paid by the hour.

VINCE:

I, I loved it because it was very personal.

VINCE:

You got to know the people who you work for, but ultimately, when you're

VINCE:

working as a medic and you're the lead you should embrace the fact that

VINCE:

people are looking up to you, right?

VINCE:

EMTs looking up to how you function.

VINCE:

They wanna know the why behind what you do.

VINCE:

And there was an individual who was struggling as an EMT, and she seemed

VINCE:

like she just really understand or grasped the knowledge well enough.

VINCE:

And she got, she got picked on she got, she got pushed and unfortunately of

VINCE:

pushed her out of the organization.

VINCE:

But beforehand I was spending hours upon hours to make sure Hey, what

VINCE:

can we do to help you succeed?

VINCE:

And, and ultimately now it went from me being an FTO to instructors, to

VINCE:

leads, to whatever, to an organization now that somebody put on a Facebook

VINCE:

post saying, Hey, we're doing a T E C C program that we haven't done before.

VINCE:

We're looking for people to volunteer.

VINCE:

And I was like, you know what?

VINCE:

I'm bored.

VINCE:

So I typed it up and I showed up, and within the first five minutes of me trying

VINCE:

to follow suit with everybody else of my PowerPoint slide, I was like, fuck this.

VINCE:

I can't do this.

VINCE:

I can't do this PowerPoint mindset.

VINCE:

You're not gonna learn this stuff.

VINCE:

I Yeah.

VINCE:

Is it cool to know that that statistics is 93% this and that?

VINCE:

Yeah, sure.

VINCE:

Maybe that's fun, but I only got 16 hours with these students.

VINCE:

Let's go outside and let's go put tourniquets.

VINCE:

And you know what?

VINCE:

Make sure they're actually training as if it's real life embracing

VINCE:

the suck, and that's the first thing we do in this program.

VINCE:

And ultimately that day the, the, the coordinator of the program was

VINCE:

like, this, this is your class.

VINCE:

obviously, you get it, you understand it, you have a way of

VINCE:

functioning with the students.

VINCE:

They look up to you and, and it's maybe that relationship but I'm

VINCE:

a believer that there's no rank, there is no, there's no command.

VINCE:

It's just, it's an opportunity whether you could influence somebody.

VINCE:

To be their success.

VINCE:

That's, that's how I want to end my military career.

VINCE:

I want to end as a drill sergeant and drill sergeants.

VINCE:

They don't see it as oh, I'm trying to make commission, or I'm making a

VINCE:

pay for all these, these candidates that are going through, or these

VINCE:

soldiers going through basic training.

VINCE:

Their, their commission is these brand new soldier success.

VINCE:

And that's, that's the way I see it in, in everything I do for education.

VINCE:

I'm glad you said that.

VINCE:

Thanks for asking me how I feel about it.

VINCE:

I could rant.

VINCE:

Yeah.

DAN:

No, keep going,

VINCE:

Vince.

VINCE:

Ah, no.

VINCE:

It's just a long , it's a long, long thing.

VINCE:

We got, we got all this time to talk about it.

VINCE:

Yes.

VINCE:

Before we started, anything else now that we've been involved in for a

VINCE:

while, let's keep up with current times so Buso, Dan, and Steven.

VINCE:

What's going on in your lives?

VINCE:

What's going on in your world, or what's something good that you've achieved and

VINCE:

what's something that you want to possibly get some help on to be successful?

VINCE:

Start with Buso.

VINCE:

Ah,

BUCIO:

noodles gonna be mean.

BUCIO:

I know, man.

BUCIO:

I've been having a lot more time with the family, which is good.

BUCIO:

And I really like that.

BUCIO:

I'm, I'm being there for my, for my girls they're doing a lot of stuff

BUCIO:

at school, so it's it's interesting.

BUCIO:

And then also just trying to get a lot of ideas spewing in my head.

BUCIO:

I don't, it's like rattling back and forth.

BUCIO:

So I, there's a couple things that I wanna do and a lot of them have

BUCIO:

to do with the podcast as well.

BUCIO:

And that's basically it.

BUCIO:

It's not much going on.

BUCIO:

I'm stuck at home right now for other reasons, but it's all good.

BUCIO:

Good.

VINCE:

You look healthy though.

VINCE:

You look back on your feet.

BUCIO:

I'm good.

BUCIO:

I'm, yeah.

BUCIO:

But that's about it.

DAN:

Good.

DAN:

What about you, Dan?

DAN:

Yeah, I guess my life is very similar to years Boo Show.

DAN:

Father, two daughters, and staying very busy with that.

DAN:

It's I was gonna say to you, it's a real pleasure that we get to do that.

DAN:

A lot of fathers don't get to do that, so That's true.

DAN:

We're, we're blessed man.

DAN:

We get to really pour into our family as fathers and really special.

DAN:

So that's what's going on in my life on that end, something I'd really like to

DAN:

work on with this busy season in my life.

DAN:

I just am struggling with the motivation to stay fit like I used to eat, right?

DAN:

Like I used to.

DAN:

And that's, that's been heavily on my mind.

DAN:

And I know that's something we are very passionate about is mental

DAN:

toughness, but also physical.

DAN:

And so that, that's something I'm, I'm really gearing towards and

DAN:

that's been heavily on my mind.

VINCE:

I'm with you on that one.

VINCE:

I'm glad you said that cuz that is something that we've we've always

VINCE:

talked about on the show, but we've never really made into a lesson and I

VINCE:

think Steven here, who's very passionate about fitness and he is now into a

VINCE:

little bit of a bigger responsibility for fitness for his organization.

VINCE:

Maybe this is a good opportunity to identify a responsibility within the wtl

VINCE:

podcast of what is your purpose here?

STEPHEN:

You, you put me on a pedestal there with that.

STEPHEN:

But I'm still getting after my own fitness and just staying consistent and

STEPHEN:

kinda like Dan said, like the last few days have just been kinda tough with

STEPHEN:

the cold weather and getting after it.

STEPHEN:

And I, I ran yesterday and today I kinda struggle through a workout, but yeah,

STEPHEN:

I'm enjoying being a field training officer just kinda keeping me and my

DAN:

Trainee out of trouble every day, every shift.

DAN:

But

STEPHEN:

also making sure like we're not just like sitting in a hole dodging

STEPHEN:

calls and stuff like cause that would be an injustice to my trainee and all

STEPHEN:

that, as well as the department and the the citizens of where we work.

STEPHEN:

It's kinda like, how, how much exposure can we do without getting into a

STEPHEN:

situation that we're gonna regret later?

STEPHEN:

And there's various degrees of regret, obviously.

STEPHEN:

There's oh, I just got into a shooting or like a injury situation

STEPHEN:

versus oh, I'm just gonna be here for five hours waiting for like the

STEPHEN:

state's attorney to call me back.

STEPHEN:

But we can go, let's get, we'll get into a little bit of trouble, just not.

STEPHEN:

The whole thing.

STEPHEN:

But and then back to fitness I'm just, I'm working on becoming a instructor at

STEPHEN:

the academy for the Physical Skills Unit.

STEPHEN:

And that's stuff like hand cuffing, emergency take down, stuff like that.

STEPHEN:

Or some of the, they even touched on some of the stuff that we were

STEPHEN:

doing at T E C C, which is how do you buddy carries when like one

STEPHEN:

of you is injured and all that.

STEPHEN:

And then you you have to stay in a fight, but also be cognizant of

STEPHEN:

getting your down teammates out.

STEPHEN:

And then the other half of that is also like physical conditioning.

STEPHEN:

So I gotta take it, find myself to stay consistent with fitness

STEPHEN:

and then be like a, a model

DAN:

for the recruits down the line.

DAN:

So, But it, it is, bro, it's dad workouts, like that's what I'm doing.

DAN:

I'm in my, my family room doing pushups.

DAN:

I got some dumbbells and Like a tr some TRX bands and I'm just doing what I can.

DAN:

It's not what I'm used to.

DAN:

And it's not it's not really pushing me, but I'm trying something.

DAN:

And it's, it's been tough cuz I, I want more.

DAN:

And it's easy to give yourself that excuse of I got the

DAN:

kids, I got so much to do today.

DAN:

The kids she's not napping.

DAN:

Whatever.

DAN:

I'll throw any excuse at myself.

DAN:

So I'm sure that's something we've all struggled, right?

DAN:

Busho, you got a lot of kids.

DAN:

And I'll walk up my

BUCIO:

stairs, bro.

BUCIO:

I walk up my stairs up and down.

BUCIO:

Sometimes they start crying.

BUCIO:

I grab 'em.

BUCIO:

The biggest one is the heaviest one, of course.

BUCIO:

And I just, I throw over my shoulder.

BUCIO:

It's like carrying someone.

BUCIO:

That's what I'm doing.

BUCIO:

But, and I'm winded after I don't know, 20 times up and down with each one.

BUCIO:

It's but.

BUCIO:

But you're right.

BUCIO:

Excuses are so easy.

BUCIO:

It is.

BUCIO:

Especially right now with the weather, like Steven was saying

BUCIO:

I don't wanna, I don't wanna wake up early to go to the gym.

BUCIO:

I don't even wanna go in the afternoon cause it's even colder or something.

BUCIO:

It's it's just like there's an excuse for everything.

BUCIO:

And, and obviously as dad's we would be me and you would be

BUCIO:

able to pick it up real quick.

BUCIO:

I don't know about Vince, man.

BUCIO:

This guy is you're wired differently, bro.

BUCIO:

I remember him going to like the gym and every single, you're not a real,

BUCIO:

you don't have a real dad bod Vince.

BUCIO:

I don't believe it.

BUCIO:

Take off the shirt.

BUCIO:

. VINCE: I had a dad Bo I had two dads.

BUCIO:

Bos.

BUCIO:

But yeah, man, it's, it's not, it's not easy and

DAN:

I mean it wasn't, I wanna see it.

DAN:

I wanna see a before picture.

DAN:

You Vince, by the way.

DAN:

That's

VINCE:

right.

VINCE:

We'll, we'll show that out.

VINCE:

Let's talk.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

That needs, that needs to get out there.

VINCE:

I'll find it.

VINCE:

We'll dig into the actual fitness episode.

VINCE:

We'll make sure we acknowledge.

BUCIO:

But I think one thing is that we

DAN:

can keep, and it's

BUCIO:

easier to say, like we can keep each other accountable.

BUCIO:

I text you, I'll text you, whatever.

BUCIO:

But even that sometimes doesn't, doesn't always work.

BUCIO:

It's, it's just you just gotta find the time and do it.

BUCIO:

And, and don't go and don't go work out with Vince.

BUCIO:

They'll kill you.

VINCE:

Got my phone.

VINCE:

Phone came up yesterday.

VINCE:

It was a one year anniversary since I smoked you at that gym.

VINCE:

I remember that.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

It came up you remember this a year ago?

VINCE:

I'm like, oh man, here

BUCIO:

I was dying.

BUCIO:

Dude.

BUCIO:

Ike, walk out.

BUCIO:

No, I almost did.

VINCE:

I just saw him again for like couple weeks.

DAN:

Is good.

DAN:

When

VINCE:

he disappears, he's still trying to recover.

VINCE:

That's why he's is at home right now.

VINCE:

. . It's, uh, it's very true.

VINCE:

Fitness.

VINCE:

Fitness is a big world.

VINCE:

It's a big part of what we need to be doing whether it's everybody has their

VINCE:

own reason behind why they need to, or why they wanted to go to the gym.

VINCE:

At some point heavier set me was like, dude, I'm, I'm tired of being tired.

VINCE:

I'm tired of of being outta shape can I still do the job?

VINCE:

Sure.

VINCE:

But I, I need to be able to do the job to stay alive, and how

VINCE:

many people around us are, are not committed to the fitness world and

VINCE:

they're, they're dropping like flies.

VINCE:

We've got line of duty deaths at fire stations after fires, because of

VINCE:

heart attacks and stuff like that.

VINCE:

You know what,

BUCIO:

Vince, real quick you sound like you should be able to do the job.

BUCIO:

The way I look at it is you should be able to do the job more than once.

BUCIO:

Like after there's been, there's been houses that had multiple fires within that

VINCE:

hour.

VINCE:

That's exactly it.

VINCE:

One, you're done, man.

VINCE:

That's exactly it.

VINCE:

I, and I, I have conversations with people and, and I've.

VINCE:

I've had people say oh, you should be, like, trying to

VINCE:

bulk up as heavy as you can.

VINCE:

Like to the guys who can't even like, get through doors because their

VINCE:

shoulders are so packed out, but then it's yeah, I'm sure they could bust

VINCE:

through a door a wall faster than I can.

VINCE:

But then how many, how many times?

VINCE:

Thank you.

VINCE:

We got our food deliver . Thanks.

VINCE:

How many times?

VINCE:

They, they go through the wall once and they're, they're beat, they're exhausted.

VINCE:

Where I could tell 'em, I'll go through 4, 5, 6 different walls and,

VINCE:

and get the job done multiple times.

VINCE:

It's all about functional, right?

VINCE:

It's not about mass and, and aesthetics and looks and views.

VINCE:

It's about being able to do the job.

VINCE:

And we see this in the world we are in even in the military.

VINCE:

They've been posting the, the PT test standard for going on three

VINCE:

years now because they can't figure out the right rhythm or the right.

VINCE:

Standard of gender neutral versus numbers and age and this and that.

VINCE:

It's I hate to say it, but crime, fire, gunshots.

VINCE:

They're not discriminating towards your gender.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Or your size or your height so it, it, there needs to be a standard

VINCE:

of just getting the job done.

VINCE:

Get through, get through what you gotta do, fight the fire, and get

VINCE:

home and stay alive and be able to pull your partner out if that falls.

VINCE:

That scares me sometimes when I go to different jobs it's man, are

VINCE:

you, are you gonna be able to pull me out if something happens to me?

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

I don't know.

VINCE:

You make a point on it.

VINCE:

What about, what do you think?

VINCE:

Hey, then

VINCE:

? HAYDEN: I agree with you that it's,

VINCE:

struggle for maintaining all the fitness around, but the issue I

VINCE:

have a lot is you got guys that.

VINCE:

They'll like, like Dan, they'll make any excuse to not, to not

VINCE:

work out or something because oh, I don't, I don't wanna be gased.

VINCE:

If we, if we catch a job, we go to a fire.

VINCE:

I'm like, that's not what it's about.

VINCE:

I'm not saying you gotta go up in the gym and, and run yourself ragged.

VINCE:

You don't gotta be pouring sweat after an hour, but go

VINCE:

just do, be active during a day.

VINCE:

It doesn't have to be like you said, functional swing the sledge on the tire.

VINCE:

Do take a walk on the treadmill, do the, do the StairMaster.

VINCE:

Everybody every complains about doing the c p A.

VINCE:

The stairs are the hardest part.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

So it doesn't mean it's one test you take once and then never do the stairs again.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

I think the statistics just came out the other day.

VINCE:

It's 82% of people in first responder agencies are overweight

VINCE:

and outta shape, makes sense.

VINCE:

And I get it.

VINCE:

Your weight does not determine your.

VINCE:

That's not what it's about.

VINCE:

But we're talking about like even in the forces someone said that

VINCE:

like several, if something happened right now and we needed all hands on

VINCE:

deck, it was something outrageous.

VINCE:

Like 13% would be capable for wow.

VINCE:

Fitness for marksmanship, for all the, the basic military stuff.

VINCE:

And it's just that blows my mind.

VINCE:

I I hope other places are not listening to this podcast.

VINCE:

Cause I feel like that's the secrets being told out.

VINCE:

But are we really that prepared?

VINCE:

? Yeah.

VINCE:

We're strong force.

VINCE:

We got high tech stuff, but we gotta, you just get

BUCIO:

a secret out, Vince.

DAN:

Yeah, that's right.

DAN:

Is there

STEPHEN:

any analysis of that number right, current number right

STEPHEN:

now compared to like years past?

STEPHEN:

Is it down trended or is this just a random statistic?

VINCE:

What the difference between current and past?

VINCE:

We've got people who are joining, or we're struggling to find people who

VINCE:

are joining because all they want to do is get the benefits out of it and

VINCE:

get the reward, but not do the job.

VINCE:

Whereas in the past, we had people lying about their age to go serve their country.

VINCE:

I hate sounding like an old salty dog about it, because now you

VINCE:

see all these other veterans who are like your grandpa or whatever.

VINCE:

He's oh back of my days you guys are weak and this and that.

VINCE:

And we always thought about old man, you don't know what you're talking about.

VINCE:

Now I'm starting to feel it.

VINCE:

The difference between us and new generation, it's man, we're, we're in.

DAN:

So those old vets, they've got something to say nowadays in mm-hmm.

DAN:

in my opinion.

DAN:

Mm-hmm.

DAN:

, they've got a lot to say.

DAN:

So if an older vet tells me this is not a lot of said,

DAN:

this is not what I fought for.

DAN:

What we're seeing now, he, we need to listen to.

DAN:

Time to

BUCIO:

Have you guys heard that saying recently been not part recently, but

BUCIO:

it's like hard talent create strong men.

BUCIO:

Yeah.

BUCIO:

Strong.

BUCIO:

Yeah.

BUCIO:

And it's that's, that's what it's leading to right now.

BUCIO:

It's like going back to like soft, mm-hmm.

VINCE:

messed up up that saying we gotta say it.

VINCE:

Find, yeah.

VINCE:

Somebody's got it.

VINCE:

I was

BUCIO:

pulling it up.

BUCIO:

Pulled out who had it, who had it.

BUCIO:

It says Hard times.

BUCIO:

Create strong men.

BUCIO:

Strong men create good times.

BUCIO:

Good times.

BUCIO:

Create weak men.

BUCIO:

And weak men create

VINCE:

hard times.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

It just circles around.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

It's that's definitely a thing.

VINCE:

It's crazy, man.

VINCE:

And today, today's workout I had, right?

VINCE:

Cause I was at the gym from 12 nine Gym.

VINCE:

No, I was at the gym for 12 to two 15.

VINCE:

Did hour cardio and.

VINCE:

We could bust it out.

VINCE:

I'll show you on my, on my gps, on my Garmin.

VINCE:

It shows exactly what I do in my fitness world, but one thing I realized

VINCE:

when I got there, I went over to a suburb, LA Fitness, and I was like,

VINCE:

all right, I got everything I need.

VINCE:

But I was like, forget my shorts.

VINCE:

I forgot my gym shorts, man.

VINCE:

So I, I wore these pants and I wore my boots and I had

VINCE:

the best damn workout ever.

VINCE:

And I don't know if it's just like the ation of you're wearing

VINCE:

something you normally in, or somewhat military, somewhat uniform.

VINCE:

It just had me a lot more pumped.

VINCE:

I was lifting heavier weight than I was yesterday but that had me

VINCE:

thinking, looking around do I look mean?

VINCE:

Do I look angry?

VINCE:

Do I look pissed off?

VINCE:

Cause ultimately, when you meet people at the gym who are like, they're wearing a

VINCE:

hoodie and had little headphones in and they're just like dead silent, dead face,

VINCE:

those are the ones that are, are fighting those demons and they're there badly.

VINCE:

Oh yeah.

VINCE:

You know what I mean?

VINCE:

That is the best pre-work.

VINCE:

You could pre-work out, you could have.

VINCE:

Hey, you

DAN:

never know, man.

DAN:

You could walk up to one of those guys and open up their headphones and it's

DAN:

Ray, it's like some prince you think it's like metal going on, but who knows, man?

DAN:

Scream

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

No, it's Prince.

VINCE:

It's Prince.

VINCE:

It's definitely Prince.

VINCE:

I'm gonna do that next.

VINCE:

I'm gonna see somebody like that, but no . Yeah, we digress.

VINCE:

This is not the fitness episode.

VINCE:

No.

VINCE:

It almost became the fitness episode.

VINCE:

It almost did.

VINCE:

But if you guys are listening to this, we challenge you to go do go do 20, 10, 10.

VINCE:

Let's do it.

VINCE:

You know what?

VINCE:

Let's do it as a cadre, right?

VINCE:

Lead the example.

VINCE:

Okay, let's go.

VINCE:

Let's go right now, right here.

VINCE:

How many

DAN:

you wanna do?

VINCE:

I'm in.

VINCE:

I'll pick a number.

VINCE:

You

DAN:

won't see me when I load down.

DAN:

Listen, I.

DAN:

I'm down for 20 pushups.

DAN:

Let's do 20 pushups.

DAN:

20 pushups, right?

DAN:

I'm taking my

VINCE:

headphones down.

VINCE:

20 pushups.

VINCE:

It's our oath.

VINCE:

As long as you're listening to the show and you hear us doing pushups, I dunno,

VINCE:

you're probably not gonna hear it.

VINCE:

We'll post pictures and videos of this snippet.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

But oath that you are gonna do it as well.

VINCE:

And then oath that you are gonna do something from here on out every

VINCE:

day to be just that much better.

VINCE:

So start right now.

VINCE:

20.

DAN:

Steven, if you fart, we all have to restart.

DAN:

. VINCE: That'll be, I'm

DAN:

Now's

STEPHEN:

Hi.

STEPHEN:

I'm making it so there's proof.

BUCIO:

That was a good nap.

VINCE:

Pushups, right?

BUCIO:

I like the view of Stephen, get it.

VINCE:

I don't know about you guys, but like I already

VINCE:

feel that much more enriched.

VINCE:

I feel that much more successful.

VINCE:

Absolutely.

VINCE:

I'm awake again.

VINCE:

Why can't you get it?

VINCE:

Steven's getting it.

VINCE:

We're warmed up cuz it's a little cold in this garage here.

VINCE:

It's all good, man.

VINCE:

There's nothing negative out of fitness.

VINCE:

Hey now we're warmer.

VINCE:

Now we're more Aw.

VINCE:

Whatever the new kids are saying, we're woke.

VINCE:

They're woke.

VINCE:

Sorry.

VINCE:

Is that what they meant?

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Maybe that's what it is.

VINCE:

Next time I see someone say woke, I'd be like, do some pushups.

VINCE:

How about that?

VINCE:

let's go.

VINCE:

I'm gonna do pushups.

VINCE:

Damn.

VINCE:

You became that much more stronger.

VINCE:

Your muscles are that much more prepared.

VINCE:

Your mind has got more blood flow.

VINCE:

It's got more oxygen.

VINCE:

Your endorphins are popped up, right?

VINCE:

So whatever demons we thought we didn't even realize we may have been fighting

VINCE:

just got squashed that much more heavier.

VINCE:

You know what I mean?

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

So hopefully if you're viewing this or listening to this, you actually did it.

VINCE:

We'll give you another five seconds to finish.

VINCE:

But actually do it and embrace it, so I do know, because apparently we

VINCE:

do have viewers cuz Hayden really good about quoting our episodes

VINCE:

We, we've got people who respond to our show and, and talk about the conversation.

VINCE:

And you guys know who I'm talking about, right?

VINCE:

If you're hearing this, so right to us saying that you

VINCE:

did what we asked you to do.

VINCE:

So nonetheless, we digress.

VINCE:

Let's go back to the show which was a stewardship of the instructor.

VINCE:

Dan.

VINCE:

What guys?

VINCE:

Yeah, go ahead man.

VINCE:

Where you are now and why are you even doing this?

VINCE:

What is your reason?

VINCE:

What is your purpose?

DAN:

So taking that instructor role was a big step for me.

DAN:

And the reason I got here was because someone else equipped

DAN:

me and pushed me to do it.

DAN:

Step outta my comfort zone.

DAN:

And the, I'll take the knowledge in, I'll take the education, I'll

DAN:

learn it, but it took someone to say, Hey, why don't you teach something?

DAN:

Why don't you, Hey, why don't you run the scenario right now?

DAN:

That's all it took for me.

DAN:

And I had to get comfortable being in front of people and sharing my knowledge.

DAN:

But it, it started with somebody else pushing me to do that

DAN:

as well, if that makes sense.

VINCE:

I guess give us an example of who you don't have the

VINCE:

name names or places, but Sure.

VINCE:

What actually occurred that you, that made you realize I

VINCE:

need to be pushed, I need to,

DAN:

yeah, so I think the first time I was on probation when I got hired, and

DAN:

what like the probationary guy, right?

DAN:

Y y yes and no mouth shut.

DAN:

Ear is open.

DAN:

Yes, that's a thing.

DAN:

But the lieutenant I was working for at the time, he trained me up

DAN:

a lot and we had some recruits come in and he said Dan, why don't you

DAN:

go take those boys out on the floor?

DAN:

And run them through a rescue drill, the one that we went over last week.

DAN:

And I'm like, alright, cool.

DAN:

I haven't done this before, but I'll do it.

DAN:

And so that was the first time I was given that opportunity to take

DAN:

the knowledge that I was given and then pass it on to somebody else who

DAN:

maybe hadn't learned that before.

DAN:

And it, it caused me to think am am I portraying this or giving this training?

DAN:

Am I being thorough?

DAN:

Am I being clear about what I'm saying?

DAN:

And it started for me.

DAN:

There, it was in the fire department.

DAN:

So who uio?

DAN:

How about you, man?

BUCIO:

Mine started a little bit younger of, honestly, when I was in I was in,

BUCIO:

I've been in martial arts all my life, so

DAN:

it was, it was kind of there.

DAN:

You're like the, the kra MAGA.

BUCIO:

Omega?

BUCIO:

No.

BUCIO:

Yeah.

BUCIO:

Yeah.

BUCIO:

So like I, I started there with with a couple martial arts teaching.

BUCIO:

And then when I went to the police academy, that was no, actually

BUCIO:

before that, that was before that, before I became a police officer.

BUCIO:

I I met a guy who trained me in like defensive tactics and he's a really, he's

BUCIO:

still like a really good friend of mine.

BUCIO:

And he was a big mentor for me.

BUCIO:

And he kept throwing stuff at me to teach people, to teach people in his

BUCIO:

class and in his curriculum and the system to the point where he actually he

BUCIO:

wanted me to fly with him over to Florida to teach police officers over there.

BUCIO:

And this was way before I was a police officer.

BUCIO:

Wow.

BUCIO:

That's what kind of got me like, interested even more.

BUCIO:

Cause like at one point he just left me in there by myself and I'm like,

BUCIO:

dude, I'm a 21 year old guy that with all these cops and swap members,

BUCIO:

I have no idea what I'm doing.

BUCIO:

He said, oh, you know the curriculum, you'll be fine.

BUCIO:

So he like walked away and that's gave me like the push to be like,

BUCIO:

I can, I can do this, I can I can teach and not be, what's the word?

BUCIO:

Intimidated, and they all, I didn't get anything.

BUCIO:

I didn't get any bad reviews or anything,

DAN:

which is good.

DAN:

And that's the thing, like when that leader, that

DAN:

instructor passes that on you.

DAN:

I, I don't know this guy, but tell me if I'm right.

DAN:

He's not passing the buck.

DAN:

He's not taking something off his plate, pushing it onto yours and saying,

DAN:

Hey, can you just handle this for me?

DAN:

No, he had a method behind his, his uh, practice.

BUCIO:

He wanted, yeah, he wanted to see how I would do under pressure and

BUCIO:

if I knew the curriculum he gave me, for

DAN:

sure.

BUCIO:

I'm sure he didn't walk away far cause I saw him too . But yeah.

BUCIO:

And then obviously, and then what the last thing I did before anything now

BUCIO:

is that I was actually a defensive taxes instructor in my old department.

BUCIO:

So that, that's what helped me, that led me to that.

BUCIO:

So I was, that was fun.

BUCIO:

So I've always liked teaching, I've always liked learning stuff and teaching people.

BUCIO:

I think I'm a better teacher than I am.

BUCIO:

Like competitor, I guess you could say.

BUCIO:

For sure.

BUCIO:

Yeah.

BUCIO:

And this is all great stuff.

BUCIO:

I We teach that triple CT CC class, that stuff is fun, man.

BUCIO:

That stuff is

DAN:

also really important.

DAN:

So it's a reinforcement of what we're, we're taking in, right?

DAN:

Yep.

DAN:

It's, it's a way to reinforce and equip someone else to pass that along.

DAN:

And you're just continuing to build that knowledge just by teaching somebody else.

DAN:

It's building that knowledge even more.

DAN:

And you might even

BUCIO:

be inspiring other people to do stuff.

BUCIO:

So to be instructors like Hayden here, right?

BUCIO:

Yeah.

DAN:

Yeah.

DAN:

Hayden what, what got you interested to be moving towards the instructor role?

DAN:

What, what gave you that push?

DAN:

Were you in a position before where you were able to teach somebody?

HAYDEN:

So it started similar to yours.

HAYDEN:

I was a proby at my first department, and we're trying to figure out what to do.

HAYDEN:

One 30 rolls around, we gotta figure out, drill Lieutenant goes, Hey, hey, and take

HAYDEN:

the new kids out and show 'em ladder.

HAYDEN:

And I'm, I am the new kid, But and it, and it, and it helps you obviously

HAYDEN:

he sees something in me that he thinks I'm gonna be good at this.

HAYDEN:

So it's, that's where it started.

HAYDEN:

Class four, a couple years later, when I was a paramedic student, I had

HAYDEN:

instructors who like, I'm not gonna, it's, it's gonna sound of bad, but,

HAYDEN:

so I was, I was always on top of scenarios in class we gotta do, we,

HAYDEN:

we gotta do this, this, this, and that.

HAYDEN:

And I was always kind of like, put into the in charge position.

HAYDEN:

So the instructors were like, Hey Hayden, you're gonna be the patient today.

HAYDEN:

Oh man, so I'm out of the, I'm out of the drill.

HAYDEN:

But it helps and it helps helping them, helping the other students learn.

HAYDEN:

So now I go back to teach at my medic program.

HAYDEN:

And it's basically what, what I get out of it is I'm giving them the

HAYDEN:

opportunities that I didn't have, right?

HAYDEN:

Aeromedical that chapter right where our medic program is, we don't call

HAYDEN:

helicopters cuz there's five trauma centers within 10 minutes of us, right?

HAYDEN:

So my part-time place was rural, talked to the chief, Hey, can I bring the medic

HAYDEN:

students out killing land, the helicopter?

HAYDEN:

And they, they jumped on it, they loved it.

HAYDEN:

And I'm like, that's, that's something I didn't have and if I can give

HAYDEN:

them the opportunity to do that, I'm gonna jump on it every time.

HAYDEN:

Cuz that's phenomenal.

HAYDEN:

And then it's improving, helping them improve with things I had trouble with.

HAYDEN:

So I hated endocrine.

HAYDEN:

I was just so bad at it.

HAYDEN:

It was like my worst chapter in class.

HAYDEN:

So if I can help somebody understand it, just a li just

HAYDEN:

a little bit better than I did.

HAYDEN:

And it, it's, it's, it's that fulfillment feeling like, Hey, I did that.

HAYDEN:

I I helped you and I, I feel good about myself now I wanna go do it more.

DAN:

For sure it does give you that fulfillment and it does reinforce

DAN:

the knowledge that you you took upon yourself to, to learn more.

DAN:

But beyond that for that student is giving them the opportunity

DAN:

to turn around and then hand the torch to them, Hey, turn around.

DAN:

Hey, teach your classmates the subject on endocrine that we just talked

DAN:

about, that's what we're trying to to share here, is what we're finding

DAN:

success in with the classes that we're teaching is passing the torch,

DAN:

putting the ball in the students court to turn around and reinforce the

DAN:

knowledge that we've been able to pass.

DAN:

What do you think about that, Vince?

VINCE:

When it comes to to being an instructor or an educator there's

VINCE:

a lot of responsibility in that.

VINCE:

You can't just play it by ear you can't always just shoot from the hip.

VINCE:

It's gotta be a sense of what's the word?

DAN:

It's kinda like a method to your madness.

DAN:

Oh.

DAN:

I love saying that.

DAN:

I

VINCE:

know, that's why I said it.

VINCE:

I love that you guys are still remembering that.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Competency, right?

VINCE:

It's a, there's another word, I can't think of it right now, but

VINCE:

if you come up as an instructor and say that you know how to do CPR and

VINCE:

you're here to teach cpr, but then you actually don't, you lose a sense.

VINCE:

Credibility.

VINCE:

Credibility.

VINCE:

Credibility.

VINCE:

That's the word.

VINCE:

Thank you.

VINCE:

Thank you.

VINCE:

You have to have credibility.

VINCE:

You have to have a better foundation.

VINCE:

And you have to have a sense of I'm, I've got this.

VINCE:

I took the time to educate myself, to learn to experience, but I'm not

VINCE:

here to hold it to just my own wealth.

VINCE:

I'm here to share it to you all.

VINCE:

I'm here to be the steward of the trade.

VINCE:

I'm here to make you all inspire yourselves to be better and soon become

VINCE:

the future educator of this program.

VINCE:

And, and to think of it as a leader, this goes back into the leadership role.

VINCE:

You shouldn't be a boss that just tells people, Hey, this

VINCE:

is how you're gonna do it.

VINCE:

And, and that's it.

VINCE:

I don't, don't ask questions.

VINCE:

It should be, a leader should be saying, this is what we need to do

VINCE:

for you to su succeed, and then for you to be taking my spot, you should

VINCE:

be looking for your replacement.

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

And enforcing and, and, and allowing them the opportunity to replace you.

VINCE:

You should be

BUCIO:

those guys that are coming in so they can teach

VINCE:

others.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

I guess what do you guys, when you were first given that whether a FTO

VINCE:

or a somebody else in leadership said, Hey, Dan, or, Hey Busho, you're

VINCE:

gonna go teach this class today, or Hayden you're gonna be, even though

VINCE:

you're new, you're gonna teach it.

VINCE:

What, what made, what did you feel out of that?

VINCE:

Other than like, all of a sudden it's stress and what do you call it?

VINCE:

Stage fright, but once you taught that day lesson, how did you feel?

DAN:

Oh, yeah.

HAYDEN:

Reminded you gotta be on, if you give someone that like, Hey,

HAYDEN:

I need you to teach this, right?

HAYDEN:

I think it helps.

HAYDEN:

Teaching is the best form of yeah.

HAYDEN:

Like inner I, I gotta be on top of this so I can teach you.

HAYDEN:

So it's, it's like holding, like holding yourself to a higher standard.

HAYDEN:

If I got, if I don't know it, how can I teach them?

HAYDEN:

And I'm, I'm a nerd now, man.

HAYDEN:

My, my days are spent like flip.

HAYDEN:

I'll pick a, like every day on shift, I'll pick a random sop

HAYDEN:

and I'll just run through it.

HAYDEN:

Okay.

HAYDEN:

We got this one today.

HAYDEN:

Let's pick one burns.

HAYDEN:

Ooh.

HAYDEN:

Haven't done that one in a while.

HAYDEN:

And then I remember the dance that you taught N T E C.

HAYDEN:

See how that works?

HAYDEN:

See,

VINCE:

yes,

DAN:

I swear.

DAN:

And you giving 'em a full on read right now, you know

VINCE:

that, right?

VINCE:

I swear every single time I'm giving the opportunity, whoever's got

VINCE:

burns, I'm thankful that they were willing to say, Hey Vince's a dance.

VINCE:

You wanna show them?

VINCE:

Absolutely.

VINCE:

This is the dance I remembered from my education and it stuck

VINCE:

with me and helped me pass.

VINCE:

But to hear that I was able to share that little insight to a student and now

VINCE:

they are coming back what is a year ago?

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

And saying, I've actually used this on the streets and I've had success

VINCE:

for this knowledge with a burn dance.

VINCE:

It's by far that is like the currency to me.

VINCE:

That is the award for what I do.

VINCE:

And anyway, you get, go ahead.

VINCE:

You got me all geeked out.

HAYDEN:

That's the thing though, is it makes it was a goofy

HAYDEN:

thing, but I remember it now.

HAYDEN:

It's, it's burnt into my brain, but.

HAYDEN:

They're, they're trying to figure out, looking at her leg and

HAYDEN:

going, oh, I think it's this.

HAYDEN:

I'm in the back by the captain's chair, like 18.

HAYDEN:

Bam.

HAYDEN:

Like, how'd you do that?

HAYDEN:

I, I can't explain it right now, but yeah, man,

VINCE:

that's awesome.

VINCE:

That's, that's the reward, like I said but you said being a

VINCE:

educator, it puts you in a role that you need to have that pride.

VINCE:

You need to have that that accountability for yourself to truly have that

VINCE:

credibility of that knowledge.

VINCE:

But in reference to this subject, this last Monday, Tuesday, we had the Teach

VINCE:

Triple C class which is by far the best.

VINCE:

And I keep saying about every class that we hold, it was our best class

VINCE:

and it was our most dynamic class.

VINCE:

It was a lot of challenging points, a lot of movement.

VINCE:

Cuz we had live tissue or dead, live tissue, right?

VINCE:

We had lungs to play with.

VINCE:

And actually visualize and touch and put hands on, allow people to

VINCE:

innovate, see what a tension pneumo looks like and how we, why we do the

VINCE:

needle Ds and why we do chest tubes.

VINCE:

And you see the effect at hand.

VINCE:

That's the best learning possible but when we were progressing through this

VINCE:

this course and and you guys could all attest to it, cuz everybody here has

VINCE:

stepped into my, my philosophy teaching.

VINCE:

I say from the beginning it's you guys are in charge of this program.

VINCE:

You tell me what you want, you want me to dial it up, you want

VINCE:

me to dial it down however it is.

VINCE:

But this next 16 hours is not me telling you you have to be here.

VINCE:

It's 16 hours of me saying, I am honored that I could be here for you.

VINCE:

So what can I give you?

VINCE:

What do you want from me?

VINCE:

And when I see our students thriving and they're picking up this information

VINCE:

and they don't care about breaks they don't care about like lunch and this and

VINCE:

that, they're just, they're partying on this is the best time in their lives.

VINCE:

I'm like, man, this, this is a whole like school institute.

VINCE:

And these are people that are actually driven to, to learn more and want more.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

They actually wanna learn, I'm gonna do it differently this time.

VINCE:

And I went to them, I was like, you guys feel confident?

VINCE:

You guys are showing me that you're, you're competent in

VINCE:

what we, we just taught you.

VINCE:

So here's the thing, I'm gonna go next door.

VINCE:

I'm gonna get all the fire candidates cuz there's a fire

VINCE:

academy at the same building.

VINCE:

We're gonna walk through and, and bring them in here and the other fire

VINCE:

instructors and you are now gonna have your, your own lesson to teach.

VINCE:

So teach these candidates what lungs are, are entailed, what

VINCE:

they look like, what they do, why they function, how they function.

VINCE:

And I, we just sat back and we just observed and we allowed them wear

VINCE:

gloves and we had them touch the tissue and oh, a lot of 'em were just aspired.

VINCE:

They're like, man, EMS is fucking fun.

VINCE:

Medicine is fun.

VINCE:

This is awesome stuff.

VINCE:

When are you guys doing this class more often?

VINCE:

And this, and people were already wanting to sign up.

VINCE:

But when I'm looking back and I'm seeing originally our students showing

VINCE:

and, and, and taking their knowledge and being able to be an educator,

VINCE:

like it almost brings tears to eyes.

VINCE:

You know what I mean?

VINCE:

It's man, this is, this is the most glorious moment of my education.

VINCE:

And seeing the people who, who are looking up to us now, having

VINCE:

people looking up to them, and and that's where we wanna build.

VINCE:

We wanna build leaders, we build competent people.

VINCE:

We wanna build individuals who want to make training fun again.

VINCE:

And there's that saying that I say at the end, every class is that

VINCE:

you do not rise to the occasion.

VINCE:

You fall to the level of your training.

VINCE:

And to know that these individuals come to my class and are wanting to, to get the

VINCE:

most out of it, and are expecting, like they said it, they, they have this level

VINCE:

of expectation and then we over exceed.

VINCE:

That is, that is the best feeling of of, as an instructor for this program.

DAN:

Absolutely.

DAN:

And

BUCIO:

you're most likely inspiring people right there, making them

BUCIO:

realize, man, I could teach this.

DAN:

This is pretty good.

DAN:

Yeah.

DAN:

We're seeing it now.

DAN:

Hayden's sitting at the couch right now he's coming back.

DAN:

He's got that fire in him.

DAN:

And you know what, let's talk about that because not everybody feels

DAN:

the same way as we do about educating ourselves, pushing ourselves further.

DAN:

I, I'm telling you, we all know who those people are.

DAN:

Walkthrough.

DAN:

What's that?

DAN:

Walkthroughs and like walkthrough for sure.

DAN:

Taking 45 minutes as an intro, getting to know your students, all those things.

DAN:

But Hayden at your, in your agency, you could share, Hey, listen there's

DAN:

this great podcast where we talk a lot about training and education.

DAN:

Maybe learn something out of it.

DAN:

Not everybody's, no, not everybody wants to take a dive and.

DAN:

Educate themselves.

DAN:

How do we deal with that?

DAN:

Yeah.

HAYDEN:

I think it's, there's an issue too is a lot of people just, they,

HAYDEN:

a lot of people want to do training.

HAYDEN:

I think, I think this is fire law, ems, whatever, wide, the, the training,

HAYDEN:

the oh, it's, it's checking a box, right?

HAYDEN:

Oh, I did my training.

HAYDEN:

I did you go on whatever you're doing to, to your, say your, the

HAYDEN:

management of your license, right?

HAYDEN:

Oh, I got my four hours of airway, I got my two hours of

HAYDEN:

cardiac, I got my whatever.

HAYDEN:

And it's just checking boxes.

HAYDEN:

And I think that shows when something happens, like I did the burn dance, right?

HAYDEN:

And I.

HAYDEN:

So I was recently made an officer, so my role has entirely changed, right?

HAYDEN:

I went from a, a mainstream provider on the ambulance, right?

HAYDEN:

To now my job is not the patient, my job is my crew and making sure

HAYDEN:

that they're making the right moves and they're providing the best care.

HAYDEN:

So I'm back there doing the burn dance.

HAYDEN:

I'm like, all right, cool.

HAYDEN:

We got it.

HAYDEN:

And it's burn, right?

HAYDEN:

And they take off for the hospital.

HAYDEN:

I get in the ambulance, or I get in the engine, I look up and I go, oh, shit.

HAYDEN:

They didn't start saing like fluids, part of burns.

HAYDEN:

Like something, something little, right?

HAYDEN:

But and I like, it's on me.

HAYDEN:

Like it's, but it's it's, it's a whole group effort.

HAYDEN:

But in the end I looked at 'em like that.

HAYDEN:

That's my bad.

HAYDEN:

That's something that I held for a while.

HAYDEN:

I'm like I, I gotta be better.

HAYDEN:

I gotta be better.

HAYDEN:

I gotta be training on this stuff.

HAYDEN:

And that's where it came next day, bam.

HAYDEN:

Burn, burn, sop.

HAYDEN:

Hey guys, let's take a look at this.

HAYDEN:

Let's run through it real quick.

DAN:

It's, it's, let me challenge you on that, Hayden.

DAN:

Yeah.

DAN:

Lieutenant now.

DAN:

Lieutenant.

DAN:

Now this might be how it goes for you.

DAN:

Let me challenge you.

DAN:

You mentioned you painted a picture of getting in the back of the ambulance.

DAN:

Yes.

DAN:

You are responsible for your crew 100%.

DAN:

But are you the kind of lieutenant that gets in there to start a line?

DAN:

Are you the kind of lieutenant that gets in there to drop medications?

DAN:

Are you that lieutenant that gets in there to stretch

DAN:

that line, whatever it might be?

DAN:

So I,

HAYDEN:

I will, as long as they don't feel I'm in their way.

HAYDEN:

Cuz if, if, if I'm gonna let them have, I need them to have success.

HAYDEN:

And if I'm do, if I end up doing everything, that's my bad cuz

HAYDEN:

then they're not learning it, they're not doing it themselves.

HAYDEN:

So I will, I'm a hundred percent last.

HAYDEN:

Hey, you wanna drill?

HAYDEN:

Yeah.

HAYDEN:

Hell yeah.

HAYDEN:

I want to drill.

HAYDEN:

I'm in.

HAYDEN:

Let's do it.

HAYDEN:

Yeah.

HAYDEN:

My spot on ambulance calls now is the drug drawer.

HAYDEN:

That's my, that's not my

DAN:

niche.

DAN:

You have a go-to spot.

HAYDEN:

I have a go-to spot right in the stairwell.

HAYDEN:

That's my right, right there against the bench.

HAYDEN:

That's my spot.

HAYDEN:

For sure.

HAYDEN:

Whatever they need.

HAYDEN:

Awesome.

HAYDEN:

And then it's fun to, it's, it's nice because we have a lot

HAYDEN:

of new, a lot of new medics.

HAYDEN:

And it's, you just throw ideas out at them like, I don't know what this could be.

HAYDEN:

I don't know if it's this, you wanna throw 'em on end title?

HAYDEN:

Oh, that's a good idea.

HAYDEN:

Right on, man.

HAYDEN:

I love it.

HAYDEN:

For sure.

HAYDEN:

So

DAN:

absolutely.

DAN:

You're teaching them, you're teaching in that knowledge, man.

HAYDEN:

You're, you're teaching 'em in not a classroom.

HAYDEN:

Mm-hmm.

HAYDEN:

. And there's super,

BUCIO:

people don't, and some people I think I mentioned this to Vince and

BUCIO:

probably you as well, Dan, but I'm a person who needs to learn hands on.

BUCIO:

I can't learn from a book I've had, I have the hardest time ever.

BUCIO:

Same.

DAN:

There's

BUCIO:

no way that, you know, and, and that that's probably the best.

BUCIO:

Oh, let's do it.

BUCIO:

And sometimes if it happens in real life, it happens in real life, but you're

BUCIO:

learning from it in the correct way.

BUCIO:

You're not doing anything bad.

BUCIO:

But I'm saying you're learning from it there.

BUCIO:

That's the reason why I enjoy the TCC and the TCC classes that we teach.

BUCIO:

Because those are just that's a whole different ballgame.

BUCIO:

I've never had a class at that.

BUCIO:

When I took it and now coming back to train and teach other people,

BUCIO:

it's, it's fun, it's amazing.

BUCIO:

It's really hands on and it really gets people going damn, like I could do

BUCIO:

this, or I never thought I could do this.

BUCIO:

Or it's good

DAN:

stuff.

DAN:

had a good training moment, Steven over here, quiet.

DAN:

I had a good training moment with a fellow crew member and we were doing a

DAN:

rich drill at a live fire scenario and I did a, a re in a way that I'm not used to

DAN:

doing of a tactic in rescuing a down firefighter and it didn't go well for me.

DAN:

And I walked out of there and, and it bothered me for a couple days.

DAN:

And I talked to my crew member about it and I said, you know what?

DAN:

I'm not gonna do it that way.

DAN:

That doesn't work for me.

DAN:

And he said to me, that's not the right attitude because.

DAN:

You should learn to do it that way.

DAN:

You should learn to buckle the harness under, lift the leg, take the, the, the

DAN:

waist harness and buckle it under the leg.

DAN:

Learn to do it that way if you struggled on it, get it down.

DAN:

But it doesn't mean you have to do it that way, but don't have the mindset

DAN:

of I'm not gonna do it like that.

DAN:

So it, it challenged me to say, let's do this ritual again, and I'm

DAN:

gonna get that way down and make my mind up from there, but I'm not

DAN:

gonna say I'm not gonna do this.

DAN:

And that allowed me to open my mind to having a better mindset towards

DAN:

training and to not just do, this is the way I'm gonna, Nope, nope.

DAN:

I'm gonna try the way that made me uncomfortable.

DAN:

Says I'm not gonna need that strap around the waist to go under

DAN:

the leg if we encounter stairs.

DAN:

You know what I'm saying?

DAN:

I just had to share that with you guys cause that was pretty impactful for me.

DAN:

That comfortable with being uncomfortable type scene.

DAN:

Exactly.

DAN:

It

HAYDEN:

goes back to one of my favorite training quotes.

HAYDEN:

It's crap.

HAYDEN:

Don't train until you get it right.

HAYDEN:

Train until you can't get it wrong.

HAYDEN:

Absolutely.

HAYDEN:

What athletes do, it's you just, it's, it's like you said, it's

HAYDEN:

something you're not used to.

HAYDEN:

We're gonna do it and we're gonna do it again and again and again

HAYDEN:

until I'm proficient with it.

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

Exactly what athletes do.

VINCE:

That's, I needed that reminder.

VINCE:

I needed that.

VINCE:

I think the valid point behind this, and unfortunately we can't always

VINCE:

do it when it comes to lives, right?

VINCE:

Cause we, we all here work for the community in, in some essence and lives

VINCE:

are at stake when we make mistakes, but sometimes it's those mistakes that

VINCE:

makes us realize, a, I gotta learn more.

VINCE:

Like I got a lot more learn to do.

VINCE:

Or B is Now I understand why we're not doing that, and when we start

VINCE:

this program when I, when, when I run and, and took over pretty much and

VINCE:

just said, Hey, we gotta change this.

VINCE:

It was I wanted their failures to be in the classroom and I, I start

VINCE:

the program and I say, you know what?

VINCE:

I wanna see what you guys are made out of.

VINCE:

Prove it to me.

VINCE:

Show me what you got.

VINCE:

We're gonna give you the scenario and then what you're gonna

VINCE:

test your knowledge, right?

VINCE:

Key or I dunno, key on learning.

VINCE:

Whatever they say it.

VINCE:

Ideally they should all know what a tourniquet is, right?

VINCE:

This is meant for licensed personnel or people of the uniform.

VINCE:

But unfortunately a lot of 'em don't realize or haven't really

VINCE:

been able to play with tourniquets.

VINCE:

So I tell 'em like, from here on out, we're gonna make sure we build

VINCE:

the confidence with tourniquets.

VINCE:

You're gonna put it on real time, we're gonna make sure of that, right?

VINCE:

You're actually gonna put it on yourselves and each other to where

VINCE:

it's actually stopping blood flow.

VINCE:

Through your limb, so you understand the discomfort and the pain

VINCE:

that it causes to the casualties.

VINCE:

You put it on and then people will walk around the room and they're

VINCE:

moaning and groaning and they're like, man, we can take this off yet.

VINCE:

I'm like, I'm not done yet.

VINCE:

We're gonna keep going, and I start telling them, it's embrace it.

VINCE:

Embrace it.

VINCE:

And they're like, what?

VINCE:

It's like, embrace what you're feeling.

VINCE:

Embrace that pain, embrace that discomfort, right?

VINCE:

Cause that discomfort and that pain that's telling you that you're alive,

VINCE:

and be proud of that, that you did something that saved your own life

VINCE:

or you did something that saved your buddy's life, and then that's when they

VINCE:

start, the light bulb initially starts in that first 30 minute of the course.

VINCE:

They're like, oh man, I signed up for something intense.

VINCE:

This is about to get, that's,

DAN:

that's, we got guys sweating.

DAN:

Yep.

DAN:

We got guys moaning.

DAN:

It's excellent.

DAN:

Yep, yep, yep.

VINCE:

Just, just wait, I got you for another 16 hours of this, yep.

VINCE:

And.

VINCE:

We let them run the scenario.

VINCE:

And if we see a subject that they are questioning and they think

VINCE:

is right, and they're like, this, this has always worked for me.

VINCE:

And it's, it's been what I've always done.

VINCE:

And I'm like, okay, show me.

VINCE:

And then from, from that point on, when they fail, fail during that

VINCE:

scenario and they, they see the effect of that, that compromise they did.

VINCE:

So I hear that poor that's when they start realizing now I understand

VINCE:

why we don't do it that way.

VINCE:

And then we show them the right way and we show 'em the technique and they,

VINCE:

that's when they start embracing it.

VINCE:

This makes complete sense.

VINCE:

I'm not doing this because a book shows me I'm not doing this.

VINCE:

Because somebody stepped up in the class and said, Hey, this

VINCE:

is why or how you gotta do it.

VINCE:

I'm doing this cuz I, I, I witnessed and experienced the failure behind

VINCE:

it and that's what the whole subject about ketamine gets all heated with is

VINCE:

I see the failures behind ketamine and I'm like, there's gotta be more to it.

VINCE:

So I would do my own research and I'll try my own trials.

VINCE:

And I would see the effects of my, my, my own dedication of my, of education.

VINCE:

And I'm like, all right, this is why, this is why I'm gonna do it my way.

VINCE:

And clearly it's the, the appropriate way because I haven't had anybody overdose.

VINCE:

Ketamine I haven't had a, a malfunction of ketamine.

VINCE:

It's because I'm, I take it very seriously.

VINCE:

I take it like it's a, it's a it's a medication that could put you

VINCE:

under . You know what I mean?

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

Myself.

VINCE:

And that's what it is.

VINCE:

Exactly what it's,

DAN:

I'll tell you what Ketamine number two is gonna be coming.

VINCE:

Oh, we got a lot of, we got a lot of pressure for ketamine.

VINCE:

Number two.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Lot of tension for it.

VINCE:

So start rant about it.

VINCE:

But that's I mean that's, that's what makes a steward of the of the trade.

VINCE:

It's to be willing to not only educate and share your wealth but take the

VINCE:

time to continuously maintain that credibility, to keep yourself educated

VINCE:

build that rapport with the students you have and your co-instructors.

VINCE:

Try your best, even if you have some challenging times, try your

VINCE:

best to be a good moderator.

VINCE:

And if personalities can't always match that's what it is.

VINCE:

The win behind this is that we have a guy that drove two and a half hours just to

VINCE:

have a conversation and in a cold garage smoking a cigar and enjoying food, yep.

VINCE:

Podcast.

VINCE:

Who's that?

VINCE:

Steven Steven's.

VINCE:

Oh, he's all, he's all bitter, man.

VINCE:

Cause he told me, he was like, thanks for the invite.

VINCE:

Like

DAN:

io, you're, are you in Vince's basement right now?

DAN:

Not supposed to say that

BUCIO:

out, bro.

BUCIO:

No, Vince, I'm

DAN:

nowhere.

DAN:

Yeah, he always finds his way into your basement.

DAN:

Yeah, that's where I

VINCE:

see.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Anyway,

BUCIO:

you see it's right

VINCE:

there.

VINCE:

Socks.

VINCE:

That's,

DAN:

yeah.

DAN:

And I applaud you, man.

DAN:

It's not a, yeah, you drove, I don't know, two and a half hours, man.

DAN:

But I applaud you for coming here and taking a seat with us, man.

DAN:

Ter, I appreciate it.

DAN:

I hope, I hope your agency or your friends get to listen to this

DAN:

and hear what you get to offer.

DAN:

You're bringing some of the table too, man.

DAN:

We're, we're just so happy to have you here and, and to take

DAN:

some of your knowledge as well.

DAN:

Heck yeah, brother.

DAN:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Thank you guys.

VINCE:

Welcome to

DAN:

the podcast,

DAN:

. VINCE: Man, Ann and I have talked

DAN:

is something we definitely wanna make a movement for, is bringing this

DAN:

podcast to agencies, fire Academy.

DAN:

Say, give us, give us a day or, or a module where it's education

DAN:

and mental health, right?

DAN:

And just say, we'll put up a couple, couple mics and then we'll have a

DAN:

live show talking about something that they, they want to talk about.

DAN:

Some of the challenges.

DAN:

Bourbon.

DAN:

Yeah.

DAN:

We burn bourn.

DAN:

We just won't let them drink it.

DAN:

Cause it's ours.

DAN:

That's right.

DAN:

But it's, it's ultimately just making this more in person and then I think

DAN:

that's been a thing cuz Dan, like I said, there's, there's an academy out

DAN:

there that's actually listen to us.

DAN:

You

DAN:

know, there is Absolutely.

DAN:

It is huge.

DAN:

They, they have a, a board in their fire academy of podcast options to

DAN:

educate themselves and we do bring that education and training, but we also bring

DAN:

the importance of mental health and we can be that outlet for them as well.

DAN:

So again, even if this academy's listening right now we would

DAN:

love to come to you and bring this training and bring a training

DAN:

topic that you want to talk about.

DAN:

You wanna talk about mental health?

DAN:

We'll do it.

DAN:

You want to talk about some fire stuff?

DAN:

Let's do it.

DAN:

Even some police stuff.

BUCIO:

We got everything.

BUCIO:

We got police, we got fire, we got military.

BUCIO:

You know what I'm saying?

DAN:

Ems?

DAN:

Absolutely.

DAN:

We got it all, man.

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

Communications Randy's got the background of the dispatchers.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

Management and all that.

BUCIO:

So hey, even the upper upper management lieutenants, captains,

BUCIO:

sergeants, commanders, you had 'em all.

BUCIO:

There's one sitting right there.

BUCIO:

There's a couple of 'em in that couch.

BUCIO:

And I casting on the

VINCE:

couch,

VINCE:

, DAN: right?

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

We just watched our Boys Man, Dakota wearing three different hats.

VINCE:

You made the new guys, you guys hit that link.

VINCE:

That was, that was sweet.

VINCE:

That was awesome.

VINCE:

Congratulations to Dakota, man.

VINCE:

He's he's out there just serving his community at the

VINCE:

best level as as possible.

VINCE:

For those that don't

BUCIO:

know, Dakota's a is a firefighter, he's a police officer, he's a military

BUCIO:

medic, and I think he's done them all.

BUCIO:

He's still doing all three, I think, at the same time,

VINCE:

right?

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

And he's a ca show and a Yeah, of course.

VINCE:

He's, I know he is been a little absent cuz of I mean our timing

VINCE:

and everybody else's timing.

VINCE:

This is a rarity.

VINCE:

I think we're trying to make this emotion more scheduled thing.

VINCE:

Hopefully we got

BUCIO:

something coming.

BUCIO:

We got something come

VINCE:

with, we got something We keep saying that we keep

VINCE:

saying, oh, but this one,

BUCIO:

but this one's more we had a meeting a little while ago, so

VINCE:

we're good.

VINCE:

More stuff is coming.

VINCE:

Sos gonna like it more person stuff.

VINCE:

Yes.

VINCE:

Like we just released our first credited episode.

VINCE:

People go earn con Where was that?

VINCE:

Imt I amm at.

VINCE:

Yes.

VINCE:

So it's definitely a big aspect for us.

VINCE:

And the one she, one share.

VINCE:

Can't forget that.

VINCE:

Making partnerships north America Rescue, they recognize us as a training center.

VINCE:

Oh yeah.

VINCE:

That's a big movement for us and.

VINCE:

Seven years ago when Randy and I first started and in the backyard of my place

VINCE:

and just like smoked cigars and said, Hey, let's try something different.

VINCE:

And now here we are.

VINCE:

And it's just boom.

VINCE:

It just exploded.

DAN:

It's really, it's really good to have those partnerships, I'll tell you because

DAN:

having those trauma, shes in the class not only was helpful for the training

DAN:

there's a couple other guys that reached out and said, Hey, what were those shears?

DAN:

I guarantee they went online and bought a pair.

DAN:

Absolutely.

DAN:

These partnerships are very important.

DAN:

We utilize these tools.

DAN:

We north American Rescue, right?

DAN:

We, we brought it to a meeting with a police department to push medical

DAN:

training for law enforcement officers and they're gonna be getting on

DAN:

board with us and hopefully we're gonna get out there and get some

DAN:

training, bring the training to them from the schoolhouse out to the field.

DAN:

And so the partnerships are huge.

DAN:

Really what, what Dan's also trying to

BUCIO:

say here is that we're not just backing anything up.

BUCIO:

We, the stuff that we use is, we actually use it.

BUCIO:

We actually back it behind.

BUCIO:

It's not just something, oh, they have, it looks nice now.

BUCIO:

We we're using it real.

BUCIO:

It works.

DAN:

That's right.

DAN:

Practical.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Functional.

VINCE:

There you go.

VINCE:

Mm-hmm.

VINCE:

functional.

VINCE:

Make it out.

VINCE:

. That's right.

VINCE:

While we've been talking about T C C and T triple C, let's

VINCE:

give this a little skit, right?

VINCE:

It's it's probably not gonna be a whole hours worth of education, but let's do

VINCE:

it a little bit of a snippet, right?

VINCE:

A taste of of the T e C program.

VINCE:

There is an algorithm that is studied and is portrayed in

VINCE:

this program and it's march.

VINCE:

And we keep saying, once you start marching, you keep marching on, right?

VINCE:

And it's a, an assessment tool in order of precedence of what's gonna, ideally and

VINCE:

realistically kill your casualty first.

VINCE:

And it's the things that you need to be reacting upon in that order

VINCE:

to prevent that loss of life.

VINCE:

Steven, cuz you've been silent, the spotlights on you.

VINCE:

I need to know what M stands for.

VINCE:

Massive hemorrhage.

VINCE:

What are you gonna do about it?

STEPHEN:

If you're coming from a field situation, you gotta do the finger

STEPHEN:

sweep, rake your victim, your down comrade for any major bleeding sites,

STEPHEN:

and then you just gotta address it.

STEPHEN:

Whether you need to slap a tourniquet on it, on a limb,

HAYDEN:

or

VINCE:

or put tourniquet like a wound.

VINCE:

. How do we put a tourniquet on?

VINCE:

High and tight?

BUCIO:

Tight.

VINCE:

Okay.

VINCE:

Tell me.

DAN:

If you have time, you wanna do four,

STEPHEN:

approximately four inches above the injury site.

STEPHEN:

Not on a joint.

STEPHEN:

And then you can't go from there.

STEPHEN:

No.

VINCE:

Oh.

VINCE:

Oh.

VINCE:

Stop the blade.

VINCE:

Carry on for now.

VINCE:

. Okay.

VINCE:

Until, like you said, if we have time, if there's more time down the road,

VINCE:

but don't neglect the rest of the March algorithm, ably to move on.

VINCE:

Especially when you're on the X, it's high and tight.

VINCE:

Get out.

VINCE:

Done.

VINCE:

Exactly.

VINCE:

Doesn't, it doesn't qualify for a tourniquet.

VINCE:

You can't do anything else.

VINCE:

Get off the X.

VINCE:

And what we classify as the X is the care under fire, right?

VINCE:

You're in a line of sight.

VINCE:

You are in a line of fire, you're in a line of damage.

VINCE:

And your, your main goal is to get your buddy or attach out after

VINCE:

you gain fire security, get a tourniquet on for those limb leads.

VINCE:

The limb bleeds.

VINCE:

Pull them out as any means possible, whether it's using litter or strap or

VINCE:

their their rig, their chest rig, or their body armor, whatever it is, a

VINCE:

handlebar mustache off a , whatever it is just get 'em outta the X And then after

VINCE:

we took care of massive hemorrhage, right?

VINCE:

What are we doing at this point?

STEPHEN:

And

DAN:

I want a, still talking to Steven there.

VINCE:

I'll go to you, Dan.

VINCE:

Did we throw it?

VINCE:

Let's go with you.

DAN:

So mass hemorrhage, airway carrying the fire's, been taken care of.

DAN:

We've taken care of mass hemorrhage.

DAN:

Now airway, we're gonna be speaking to your, your casualty.

DAN:

Are they able to right?

DAN:

Hayden?

DAN:

If they're, if they're talking, they're breathing negative, sir.

VINCE:

negative, sir.

VINCE:

Why?

VINCE:

Why is that?

HAYDEN:

Cause ventilation does not equal profusion.

HAYDEN:

Tell me more.

HAYDEN:

That's great.

HAYDEN:

We, we just had this

VINCE:

conversation, . Yeah, but not with the audit.

VINCE:

This is me putting the education rule onto you, Roger, that.

VINCE:

Now you're the educator,

HAYDEN:

Roger that.

HAYDEN:

So ventilation air in and out, perfusion oxygen supply to the

HAYDEN:

brain and the rest of the body.

HAYDEN:

So just cuz they're talking doesn't mean that they're,

HAYDEN:

they're ventilating, but they're

HAYDEN:

not

VINCE:

profusing.

VINCE:

Okay?

VINCE:

So under a tactical field care right now that we're off the

VINCE:

X, what can we do to fix their

DAN:

airway?

DAN:

So this is gonna be, this is meant to be rapid, okay?

DAN:

If you were to put yourself in a mass casualty situation, we don't got time.

DAN:

We don't have time to, we've got time for that.

DAN:

We ain't got time for that.

DAN:

I got bunions.

DAN:

We're, we're not worried about putting advanced airway airways in at this time.

DAN:

So you're going to perform a head chill, head to head tilt,

DAN:

chin lift, boom, or jaw thrust.

DAN:

If you're worried about C spine, you're open up that airway or

DAN:

you're gonna do nasal trumpet.

DAN:

That's what we're, that's what we're taking care of.

DAN:

That's, that's what we're gonna do.

DAN:

We're gonna ma open that airway up manually and then we're gonna

DAN:

put in a nasal airway and continue on with our March assessment.

DAN:

Nice.

VINCE:

Nice.

VINCE:

Is there anything else we could do to open up the airway?

VINCE:

Like why would an airway be closed?

DAN:

Tongue if your tongue is dropped,

VINCE:

nasal would take care of the tongue.

VINCE:

But why?

VINCE:

What else would cause a closure?

DAN:

You can have blood in the airway.

DAN:

So you wanna put your face on the recovery position?

DAN:

Put 'em on their side.

DAN:

NICE's gonna continue on with that March assessment cuz once you're

DAN:

done with that March assessment, we've controlled the life threats,

DAN:

you move on to the next casualty.

VINCE:

Nice, nice, nice.

VINCE:

So airway all you care about, is it open or close?

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

Secured, unsecured.

VINCE:

Can I secure npa?

VINCE:

Go to Thet Triple C route.

VINCE:

Surgical cri or innovation, whatever we got.

VINCE:

Crash airway.

VINCE:

But after it's open or closed and you've maintained that, where do we go?

VINCE:

Mr.

VINCE:

Buso?

VINCE:

Don't necessation.

VINCE:

What you doing about it?

VINCE:

What's, oh, we do about it?

VINCE:

What do you assess for and what do you do about it?

VINCE:

Up?

BUCIO:

They, they're actually breathing.

BUCIO:

Chest is rising.

BUCIO:

There's no well like, was it like tension pneumothorax, th thorax I see.

BUCIO:

And need blood, the lungs or anything else of that matter.

BUCIO:

Checking for that.

BUCIO:

Maybe we can put the, the, the pulse checking their SPL two as well, isn't it?

BUCIO:

Can we,

VINCE:

More advance.

VINCE:

Sure.

VINCE:

That's, that's when you got more time, right?

VINCE:

This is, again, you're not, you're not delaying the march cuz these are good

VINCE:

things are gonna kill you for a pulse.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

We're not really worried about oxygen just yet.

VINCE:

We just need ventilation.

VINCE:

Checking for holes.

VINCE:

We're checking for holes.

VINCE:

GSWs, we're looking for sucking chest wounds in and out.

VINCE:

Chest rise.

VINCE:

We're looking for some sort of in and out ventilation,

DAN:

right?

DAN:

No, I'm talking about

BUCIO:

Yeah, but I'm talking about in and out chest wounds,

BUCIO:

so just in or out to the back,

VINCE:

oh yeah.

VINCE:

The, yep.

VINCE:

Entrance and exit wounds.

VINCE:

Entrance in and out.

VINCE:

Burger.

VINCE:

Baby.

VINCE:

But yeah, you're looking for, you're looking for the open chest wounds.

VINCE:

Can we seal it off with chest seals?

VINCE:

Our one side chest raising round back, so do we need a de needle?

VINCE:

Decompress that side of the chest.

VINCE:

Are we looking at flail chest?

VINCE:

Are we looking at an open chest wound?

VINCE:

You are we looking at what else?

VINCE:

What else are we looking at?

VINCE:

Hemothorax.

VINCE:

And that goes into the whole point of why are they transitioning.

VINCE:

Let's first start off, what is the prime, what is today's society?

VINCE:

Ems, in your protocols, what is your primary site for a needle?

VINCE:

D Hayden, is that that

BUCIO:

third R down

HAYDEN:

before my system is now?

HAYDEN:

Is it changed?

HAYDEN:

Is the, what was it before?

HAYDEN:

It was second inter intercostal.

HAYDEN:

Midclavicular around fifth and intercostal.

VINCE:

Okay.

VINCE:

Axillary.

VINCE:

Above or below the rib?

HAYDEN:

Above, because the van runs under the bridge.

HAYDEN:

Nice vein.

HAYDEN:

Artery.

HAYDEN:

Nerves.

VINCE:

Nice.

VINCE:

Nice.

VINCE:

And that was the initial primary spot.

VINCE:

And the secondary used to be aary, mid aary.

VINCE:

What in cost?

VINCE:

Fifth.

VINCE:

And between which ribs?

VINCE:

Four and five.

VINCE:

Four and five.

VINCE:

Above the rib.

VINCE:

. And now they're saying the military's at least doing it.

VINCE:

Some agencies are doing it.

VINCE:

Like you said, your protocol just changed to it because everything originates and

VINCE:

changes for what the military's saying.

VINCE:

You guys do it first.

VINCE:

Hell yeah.

VINCE:

But they're saying the primary is now what used to be the

VINCE:

secondary, the mid aary site.

VINCE:

And the main reason behind that is also because anatomy, right?

VINCE:

For female male the packs and chest and all that, that could, that could

VINCE:

affect the location site, that could affect the insertion of the the needle.

VINCE:

Whereas the mid aary tends to be more or less cumbersome of tissue.

VINCE:

You could still feel the ribs of most patients, but also a line

VINCE:

patient, a patient that's lying down if you go for your secondary

VINCE:

site, which is now the primary.

VINCE:

And that'll immediately give you the signs of a hemothorax.

VINCE:

Absolutely.

VINCE:

So they're saying this kind of knocks out two birds in one stone situation.

VINCE:

And what do we do far First Needle doesn't work.

VINCE:

Put in another one.

VINCE:

And which direction do we go Away from the heart.

VINCE:

Right next away

DAN:

from the heart.

DAN:

But you can put it, you can go right next to it.

DAN:

You can,

VINCE:

yeah.

VINCE:

Always work away from your heart.

VINCE:

Don't work towards it.

VINCE:

Cuz that's when you start stabbing the heart.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

That's a whole other world of problems.

VINCE:

Cool.

VINCE:

We fix the restorations.

VINCE:

We put some chest seals.

VINCE:

What's after that?

VINCE:

C, c.

VINCE:

What are we doing?

VINCE:

Circulation.

VINCE:

Are

HAYDEN:

we assessing?

HAYDEN:

You're assessing pulses.

HAYDEN:

See where we're at.

HAYDEN:

Okay.

HAYDEN:

Skin.

HAYDEN:

I can go skin print skin parameters or cap refill.

HAYDEN:

Mm-hmm.

HAYDEN:

. See where they're profusing at.

HAYDEN:

Gonna get some access, whether that's an IV or an

VINCE:

io.

VINCE:

Sure.

VINCE:

That's teach placebo route a hundred percent.

VINCE:

You'd have vi access.

VINCE:

Pushing what?

VINCE:

Ideally Yes.

VINCE:

Whole blood.

VINCE:

Whole blood.

VINCE:

Why cause saline?

VINCE:

Why are we pushing?

HAYDEN:

Okay.

HAYDEN:

Saline.

HAYDEN:

Tell me more.

HAYDEN:

Blood over pasta, water saline does not give your body the ability to transport

HAYDEN:

hemoglobin and oxygen in your body.

VINCE:

This guy went out and made us fake blood bags for this class.

DAN:

Oh yeah, that's right.

VINCE:

I remember that.

VINCE:

And, and this whole time I'm like, what smells like cherry?

VINCE:

And then I'm realizing, oh, he's got cherry mio in this blood bag.

VINCE:

Yeah man, it worked perfectly, man.

VINCE:

Whole blood over possible water.

VINCE:

Loved it, loved it, loved it.

VINCE:

But yes, you're right.

VINCE:

Whole blood over pasta water.

VINCE:

Cause what happens, not only does normal San Lact ringer does not

VINCE:

carry oxygen capability capacities like the hemoglobin does.

VINCE:

Destroys your clo, it destroys your clotting factor a hundred percent.

VINCE:

It makes your patient colder.

VINCE:

Now, right now we're entering hypothermia cuz they have a

VINCE:

product in them that's not warmed.

VINCE:

And then we're also talking about whatever climb factor they had, whatever

VINCE:

red blood cells they had, you've just expanded them away from each other.

VINCE:

means less, yeah.

VINCE:

More volumes.

VINCE:

So your blood pressures are coming up ideally.

VINCE:

But your perfusion just.

VINCE:

Gone start bleeding again.

VINCE:

Pretty much done.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

And you're gonna start bleeding again.

DAN:

Circulation is cuz the march is meant to be a rapid head to toe, right?

DAN:

We're not in that T triple C realm.

DAN:

You can be right where we're starting lines given whole blood, but you're

DAN:

double checking your er fire initial mass hemorrhage control, making

DAN:

sure that it's still holding.

DAN:

That's where, that's where your blood sweeps coming in.

DAN:

Yes.

DAN:

So just to add to

VINCE:

that, cause what is your blood sweeps gonna be able to assess

VINCE:

that you didn't do it on the x.

DAN:

You're gonna assess secondary injuries.

VINCE:

Gimme a little more.

VINCE:

What are your blood sweeps assessing that you could not do on the x much blood?

VINCE:

There's.

VINCE:

More detailed, non-compressible hemorrhage,

DAN:

non-compressible wound packing type stuff.

VINCE:

Wound packing.

VINCE:

That's when you start talking about wound packing.

VINCE:

That's when you start talking about girdles girls.

VINCE:

The pelvic binders.

VINCE:

Cause you lose, what, 1500 or no 2,500 of your blood in your pelvis.

VINCE:

Totally.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

And we put pelvic bins to keep that in tight and prevent

VINCE:

more damage and more rupture.

VINCE:

And is it 25?

HAYDEN:

2,500?

HAYDEN:

I believe it's a a thousand.

HAYDEN:

It's a thousand per thigh.

HAYDEN:

And it's, I wanna say like I be shooting, I'd think it's like

HAYDEN:

2000 per lung or 1500 per lung.

HAYDEN:

It's just, it's bad.

HAYDEN:

It's a decent amount.

HAYDEN:

It's a, it's a, it's a fatal amount.

HAYDEN:

A fatal amount.

VINCE:

Yes.

VINCE:

Hundred percent.

VINCE:

And then what else do you talk about?

VINCE:

The Sam splint ju splinting or ju pressure.

VINCE:

We're actually putting a object, a metal ob or a hard object into

VINCE:

the fal artery rock or something.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

Rock or something.

VINCE:

And compress that that artery.

VINCE:

If it's something that you can't put a tourniquet over and we're assessing

VINCE:

the chest injuries we're assessing the, the gunshot wounds that's when

VINCE:

we treat immediately put something on it, put a, put a glove hand and

VINCE:

get a battle buddy, or work off that guy's effect and pull out his

VINCE:

chest seal and start treating right.

VINCE:

How many chest seals comes in?

VINCE:

One pack.

VINCE:

Four.

VINCE:

A twin pack.

VINCE:

A single pack.

VINCE:

Four.

VINCE:

Four, you got the chest seal itself.

VINCE:

You've got the plastic layer of the chest, che hill, and then you got two

VINCE:

pieces of encasement of packaging, right?

VINCE:

Ideally give you four chest seals.

VINCE:

Sweet.

VINCE:

We took arc.

VINCE:

Do you guys remember what the the typical blood pressures are by heart rate?

VINCE:

Radial carotid

HAYDEN:

for oral, so I remembered it.

HAYDEN:

Carotid is 60.

HAYDEN:

Your FALs 70.

HAYDEN:

Radials 80.

HAYDEN:

Which I always got confused cuz I'm like, I thought it was 60, 70.

HAYDEN:

But your caro's closer to your heart.

HAYDEN:

Yeah.

HAYDEN:

So it'll

VINCE:

pick it up.

DAN:

Vi I want you to give the H in March.

DAN:

Please

VINCE:

wait.

VINCE:

We're not done with C yet, but yes.

VINCE:

I, oh, we're not, we're not done with c We're talking about

VINCE:

the, the ideal or ballpark.

VINCE:

The ballpark estimation of blood pressures per your pulses.

VINCE:

And we said it was 60 foro for carotid.

VINCE:

70.

VINCE:

70 for oral, 80 for radial, 80 for radial.

VINCE:

Now only location wise in reference to the heart.

VINCE:

But why is it that six C for radial?

VINCE:

Carotid versus for oral.

VINCE:

Cause they're closer to your heart.

VINCE:

Other than that, I'm not sure anybody keeping the brain perfused.

VINCE:

Your brain's lasting to go.

VINCE:

Your brain's it's gonna be lasting to go

HAYDEN:

your brain's inre as consumer of oxygen.

HAYDEN:

Yes

VINCE:

sir.

VINCE:

Yes sir.

VINCE:

A hundred percent.

VINCE:

Hundred percent.

VINCE:

And now we at h Dan asked me what H is now we're doing hypothermia and head trauma.

VINCE:

Right?

VINCE:

Hypothermia.

VINCE:

Why is that?

VINCE:

Bad?

VINCE:

Bad.

VINCE:

Juju.

VINCE:

Trauma.

VINCE:

Tried of death, man.

VINCE:

Trauma trial.

VINCE:

And it actually diamond now.

VINCE:

Oh, it's a diamond, right?

VINCE:

Can you talk about hypocalcemia?

VINCE:

Oh, so you got hypothermia, huh?

VINCE:

Acidosis.

VINCE:

Acidosis, yes sir.

HAYDEN:

Hypothermia, coagulopathy and

VINCE:

acidosis.

VINCE:

And then hypo hypocalcemia Mia.

VINCE:

Okay.

VINCE:

Alright.

VINCE:

Makes sense.

VINCE:

Yeah, perfectly said.

VINCE:

Those are bad things.

VINCE:

It, it affects cloud factor which affects the bleeding, which

VINCE:

affects the patient survivability.

VINCE:

And then head trauma, right?

VINCE:

This is a blast injury.

VINCE:

If this is somebody is a gsw, the head, if this is somebody who took

VINCE:

a fall whatever it is, right?

VINCE:

Head trauma's bad because whatever your treatments could do that

VINCE:

you're trying to take care of March.

VINCE:

Could have an effect on head your airway taking could have an effect to your

VINCE:

increase intercranial pressure, right?

VINCE:

So if you're trying to intubate somebody who's fighting you or who's

VINCE:

clenched tooth take a cri, right?

VINCE:

Your ventilation, if you're giving too mo too much oxygen, too fast, too slow, that

VINCE:

could affect your cordial pressure, right?

VINCE:

Your elevation, right?

VINCE:

This is something where your head is below your body blood flow, gravity, right?

VINCE:

Increase intercranial pressure.

VINCE:

And damage of damage, right?

VINCE:

If you give more damage to a head injury, you're gonna lead to brain damage.

VINCE:

You're gonna lead to br brain death.

VINCE:

So that's that's bad.

VINCE:

So what can we do?

VINCE:

Get a, get a blanket, right?

VINCE:

Keep 'em warm.

VINCE:

Space blanket.

VINCE:

The wet stuff.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

Get the wet stuff off and put dryer clothing on.

VINCE:

And then head injury.

VINCE:

Keep 'em, keep their head elevated.

VINCE:

Talk about your respirations, talk about your oxygen, talk about your mat.

VINCE:

out affecting intracranial pressures.

DAN:

That, so And what does map stand for?

VINCE:

Mean?

VINCE:

Arterial pressure.

VINCE:

Damn.

VINCE:

What does mean arterial pressure?

DAN:

does your, I'm curious, does your, the monitor you use give you that?

VINCE:

Ours does.

VINCE:

I think the zos do, I don't think, I don't, don't think, does, might, the

VINCE:

fifteens, I believe give you the map now.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

The life packs.

HAYDEN:

Do you know the math on how to do the map?

HAYDEN:

Ooh, tell me.

HAYDEN:

I don't, I I, I have it cuz I took a picture of it when I was in medic school.

HAYDEN:

Bust it out.

HAYDEN:

The slide, hang on.

HAYDEN:

It's in my, my folder called cheat sheets.

HAYDEN:

Hang on.

VINCE:

It's a folded, says

HAYDEN:

it's folder that says cheat.

HAYDEN:

There's brain, there's brain bleeds in there.

HAYDEN:

It's great.

HAYDEN:

All right.

HAYDEN:

So mean arterial pressure is All right.

HAYDEN:

It's, it's, it's math with the lines.

HAYDEN:

Hang on.

HAYDEN:

So it is your cardiac output times.

HAYDEN:

Your SBR gives you your map, but then to find it, it's, so basically your

HAYDEN:

diastolic blood pressure times two, plus your systolic blood pressure

HAYDEN:

divided by three, gives you your map.

HAYDEN:

There you go.

HAYDEN:

For those of you out there that are like me when you take a blood pressure, it's

HAYDEN:

in parentheses, really little next to your

VINCE:

right.

VINCE:

Everybody's wondering what is that number?

VINCE:

I don't understand.

VINCE:

6 65.

VINCE:

65.

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

That's what I'm shooting for.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

That's important.

VINCE:

And what are the two other things that we talk about that

VINCE:

I've added to March program?

VINCE:

Marches environment, GEs environment and acce, right?

VINCE:

Or extra.

VINCE:

Yeah, sure.

VINCE:

Give me more, what else?

VINCE:

Environment, equipment, situation, evacuation.

VINCE:

Equipment.

VINCE:

There's one more.

VINCE:

We talk about equipment.

VINCE:

There's one more that's really important that we all tend to forget.

VINCE:

I'm forgetting.

VINCE:

Safety everyone.

VINCE:

Safety everyone.

VINCE:

Everyone.

VINCE:

E for everyone, right?

VINCE:

Check yourself.

VINCE:

Check your battle buddies.

VINCE:

Check your partners.

VINCE:

Check everyone that's involved in this scenario.

VINCE:

How you doing, Dan?

VINCE:

You doing good, Steven, right?

VINCE:

Aiden, you're shot.

VINCE:

You're right.

VINCE:

. I hope so.

VINCE:

Stuff like that.

VINCE:

Check on each other, right?

VINCE:

And then s And then Busho just passed out.

VINCE:

. . DAN: Thanks for checking

VINCE:

on me there, Vince.

VINCE:

Appreciate that.

VINCE:

You're the dead guy we're trying to take care of but yeah, it's just that mindset.

VINCE:

Make sure we're all, we're all intact and disabled.

VINCE:

That is a March algorithm.

VINCE:

If this stuff interests you if you like to get your faces beat right with

VINCE:

physical education with you, like hands on, hands on education, high fidelity.

VINCE:

We've gotten a lot.

VINCE:

And I always tell my students, say, Hey, your end course critique is

VINCE:

very important to me because I want to know how to make this better.

VINCE:

I wanna know how to keep this program the best possible program you could ever be.

VINCE:

And that is by your voices.

VINCE:

They tell us, they tell us this is the most high fidelity class I've ever taken.

VINCE:

High stress class.

VINCE:

It's the first time they've ever actually had or been told to put

VINCE:

a tourniquet on appropriately.

VINCE:

That's all important, but ideally it's, I I want to come to every class and,

VINCE:

and make this worth their wild, right?

VINCE:

I want the, I want to build influencers, train the trainers, stuff like that.

VINCE:

And Dan, going back to you.

VINCE:

You were that student in my class of challenged everything I said yeah.

VINCE:

What's cany like?

VINCE:

It's this and that.

VINCE:

Your protocol says different.

VINCE:

I'm like, it's cuz they don't always change and fix everything

VINCE:

that's on the protocol.

VINCE:

Dan, shut up.

VINCE:

. DAN: Yes.

VINCE:

Yeah, I was the guy challenging you.

VINCE:

You were that

VINCE:

guy.

VINCE:

You were that guy.

VINCE:

And you were that guy that was just like, man, this is weird man.

VINCE:

You're telling me all about this ketamine thing and how Narcan works.

VINCE:

You really don't.

VINCE:

I know.

VINCE:

And then what does Dan do?

VINCE:

He calls me.

VINCE:

What, yesterday?

VINCE:

What did you say?

VINCE:

Hey,

DAN:

maybe Narcan has something to do with helping reverse the ketamine.

DAN:

And he

VINCE:

actually witnessed it.

VINCE:

He actually did it.

VINCE:

I actually witnessed it.

VINCE:

He actually witnessed the effect of it.

VINCE:

Hell yeah.

VINCE:

I did.

VINCE:

It made me feel like I'm not just pulling smoke outta my ass I was just like, cool.

VINCE:

I love it when people actually listen to the, the things we're preaching, but

VINCE:

when they are carrying along and, and carrying that bible of information that

VINCE:

we have to share and say, you know what?

VINCE:

You guys are right.

VINCE:

That's that is so nonetheless.

VINCE:

No,

DAN:

listen, I wasn't I wasn't like, ah, you're wrong.

DAN:

I just like to push your buttons.

DAN:

But.

DAN:

Because if, like I said, if, if that was the case, I wouldn't have even bothered to

VINCE:

do it.

VINCE:

Oh, I know, dude.

VINCE:

I remember I go back to that day sometimes, like this guy, this guy

VINCE:

is gonna be that guy in my class.

VINCE:

Come on man.

VINCE:

What's that?

VINCE:

How do we handle, how do we handle?

VINCE:

Cause I didn't really like that.

VINCE:

Oh dude, you were, you were a challenge if you were nitpicking everything

VINCE:

I said there was a time I even was like, man, if he says one more thing to

VINCE:

challenge me, we're gonna throw it out.

VINCE:

No, not really.

VINCE:

But I was gonna be like, , I remember you saying you were

DAN:

gonna do something with a bat somewhere.

DAN:

A tourniquet somewhere you don't like.

DAN:

You know what?

DAN:

I think I was gravitating towards your knowledge.

DAN:

That's what it was.

DAN:

That's what it was.

DAN:

That's what I was doing man.

DAN:

I was feeding into this guy's got knowledge.

DAN:

I want to know more.

DAN:

And I was pushing your buttons.

DAN:

But I think my intentions were good was all.

DAN:

Cause here I am.

VINCE:

It was all good.

VINCE:

It was all you were doing.

VINCE:

Your version of what I do to my students is tell me Moore, right?

VINCE:

Yes.

VINCE:

When they say an answer, I'm like, gimme more.

VINCE:

Give me more.

VINCE:

And they're all just what board does he want?

VINCE:

I'm like, I want it all.

VINCE:

Tell me everything you know about it.

VINCE:

Just start whaling off.

VINCE:

And then once you say that and they start having a conversation amongst each other

VINCE:

and they're figuring out the problem, you're just back here oh, yeah, yeah.

DAN:

Did I do and right.

DAN:

Oh, yeah.

DAN:

And oh, 45 minutes.

DAN:

45.

DAN:

God forbid

HAYDEN:

not to be sap, but it's the same thing with me, man.

HAYDEN:

Yeah.

HAYDEN:

I took class, I'm like, this guy's a rockstar.

HAYDEN:

Yes.

HAYDEN:

Like you don't gotta you don't gotta be Mr.

HAYDEN:

Ems.

HAYDEN:

No, no one has to be, but I feel you are.

HAYDEN:

And I pride myself.

HAYDEN:

I, I like the ambulance.

HAYDEN:

I'm the weird guy.

HAYDEN:

I like the ambulance.

HAYDEN:

I'm sorry I said it.

HAYDEN:

It's on, it's on record now.

HAYDEN:

I said it.

HAYDEN:

Yeah.

VINCE:

We're recording.

DAN:

Listen, it's the majority of what we do, so you better be damn good at it.

DAN:

Exactly.

DAN:

Exactly.

DAN:

All right.

DAN:

Hey, then

BUCIO:

can I ask you a question?

BUCIO:

Me . Nevermind.

BUCIO:

I'm not, say forget.

BUCIO:

Oh, you can't

VINCE:

just start

BUCIO:

that.

BUCIO:

That's was thinking about stepbrothers Gay.

BUCIO:

Who?

BUCIO:

The one with not John Stables.

BUCIO:

No one's.

BUCIO:

Why You bearing

HAYDEN:

me?

HAYDEN:

Were you gonna say it at the same time?

HAYDEN:

We're supposed to say at the same

BUCIO:

time, already gonna say it the same time.

BUCIO:

Three

HAYDEN:

Vince.

BUCIO:

Oh.

BUCIO:

Oh.

BUCIO:

He caught me.

BUCIO:

I just wanted to know.

BUCIO:

That's all it, I just wanted to know.

VINCE:

Oh.

VINCE:

But the whole reason behind that Dan was that initial, and he, he was

VINCE:

gravitating to the knowledge challenged me a little bit to make sure I was, I

VINCE:

was telling him more and he wanted more.

VINCE:

And then, then finally by the end of day two, you came up to me and

VINCE:

you're like do, do you like rum?

VINCE:

And I'm like, the fuck I do?

VINCE:

Of course I do.

VINCE:

Let's go.

VINCE:

And he pulls out a bottle of rum and I'm like, I'm off the clock.

VINCE:

You're off the clock.

VINCE:

Let's go.

VINCE:

You.

VINCE:

And that's how we started conversation.

VINCE:

It was like, you know what, this guy, he's, he was willing to learn,

VINCE:

he was willing to educate, he was willing to thrive and, and be

VINCE:

better and, and do better, but also share that wealth of knowledge.

VINCE:

And then we, we invited him to the, the cadre in this organization.

VINCE:

And here he is back as an instructor.

VINCE:

Was in your shoes that you were doing so it's definitely,

VINCE:

definitely something we, we, we wanna

DAN:

see in everyone.

DAN:

Yeah.

DAN:

God, man, like we, we get students like Hayden here coming

DAN:

out to do this kind of stuff.

DAN:

It's what makes it all worth it.

DAN:

Everything that we do.

DAN:

And we say it's excellent.

DAN:

Let's pass the torch.

DAN:

Let's keep it going.

DAN:

Train up the next guy.

DAN:

It's it's an honor.

VINCE:

Pay it forward.

VINCE:

Pay it forward.

VINCE:

Pay it for it.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

Stewardship, right?

VINCE:

What's your currency?

VINCE:

What's your worth?

VINCE:

Why are you doing it?

VINCE:

Everybody needs to make money.

VINCE:

Everybody needs to Just ask a question.

VINCE:

Everybody needs to know

VINCE:

. BUCIO: Yeah.

VINCE:

One of them.

VINCE:

See, hi

VINCE:

lady.

VINCE:

Hi.

VINCE:

Welcome to the show.

VINCE:

Some point you're gonna be on the show because at some point we're

VINCE:

gonna have a family members only.

VINCE:

Yes.

VINCE:

There

DAN:

you go.

DAN:

Yep.

VINCE:

Family, kids, our spouses, our partners, whatever it is to

VINCE:

be in our seats and then just talk about what they want.

VINCE:

Talk our support system, man.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Huge.

VINCE:

That was huge,

DAN:

that's all right.

DAN:

I said this in a past episode.

DAN:

But it is fitting for this current episode.

DAN:

This was a quote by a master sergeant in the Army.

DAN:

As leaders, we must invest in our soldiers continually developing and

DAN:

growing them into leaders themselves who will someday serve as our next

DAN:

generation of great leaders and mentors.

DAN:

That's an excellent quote.

DAN:

We should all strive to live by.

VINCE:

We should put that quote in a t-shirt.

VINCE:

We should, yeah.

HAYDEN:

Do that.

HAYDEN:

Put the thin lines on the front of it.

HAYDEN:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

Could you imagine if we butchered our name?

VINCE:

I got a guy , right?

VINCE:

That's that was our this thing turned into two and a half hours.

VINCE:

This is, that's what happens when we start talking conversation

HAYDEN:

management.

HAYDEN:

Thought conversation.

HAYDEN:

Yeah.

HAYDEN:

Man, I gotta go.

VINCE:

That's right.

VINCE:

It's, it's cold.

VINCE:

It's it's chilly, but we're here we're, we're enjoying our spirits

VINCE:

or enjoy each other's spirits.

VINCE:

Nice.

VINCE:

The spirits.

VINCE:

It was fun.

VINCE:

It's fun.

VINCE:

I hope for those who are listening to this we're a maybe to learn

VINCE:

a thing or two but able to reflect and say, you know what?

VINCE:

That, that sounds right.

VINCE:

That sounds about right.

VINCE:

This is what I wanna do.

VINCE:

And maybe they, they come to work tomorrow after listening to the show

VINCE:

and be like, What can I do to be better?

VINCE:

I'm gonna go do some 20 pushups.

VINCE:

You all fitness.

VINCE:

Just 20.

VINCE:

Just 20.

VINCE:

No.

VINCE:

Fitness is key.

VINCE:

Your mental wellbeing, it fitness literally fixes everything, right?

VINCE:

Literally.

VINCE:

Absolutely wellbeing, your mental health your strength, your conditioning,

VINCE:

your ability to the function, right?

VINCE:

That's that's a key aspect.

VINCE:

But then a key aspect is being able to have your, your personal pleasures, right?

VINCE:

A cigar, a spirit, share it with good like-minded people

VINCE:

and have a conversation, right?

VINCE:

Throughout these last two and a half hours I think I became a better person, right?

VINCE:

Definitely.

VINCE:

He became just that much more healthy.

VINCE:

So that's all I got.

VINCE:

That, that's we could ran on and we keep talking about ketamine and we can tell

VINCE:

Jim and, and all this stuff but who show.

BUCIO:

Closing thoughts.

BUCIO:

It's always good to have a conversation, especially with like-minded people.

BUCIO:

So I, I really enjoyed that we got hat in today.

BUCIO:

I really, I'm really glad that you're part of the TCC and who knows who you else you

BUCIO:

can be part of and yeah, man, I wish I was there to me too, in person, not me.

BUCIO:

I already met you in person before, but hang out, have a, I'm sure we'll

BUCIO:

get a chance to do that soon, I'm Get everybody together one day and everything

BUCIO:

but yeah, man, it's always good to be talking with like-minded people.

BUCIO:

Like I said, good times always learning from each other.

BUCIO:

It's always a big thing.

BUCIO:

That's, that's always big.

BUCIO:

So always learned a little something about everybody else.

BUCIO:

Every time I talk to you guys.

VINCE:

Yeah.

VINCE:

You learned that I, I could pull off a beard, so

BUCIO:

in the shadows.

BUCIO:

That's

VINCE:

right.

VINCE:

That's

BUCIO:

right.

BUCIO:

No.

BUCIO:

Yeah, you look, you look okay, Vince.

BUCIO:

It's okay.

BUCIO:

It's, it's fine.

VINCE:

what you got?

VINCE:

Dan, Dan the man.

DAN:

I'm still a steward of the, the trade.

DAN:

I don't have this all down pat.

DAN:

I've been, it's been an honor to be in an instructor and leadership

DAN:

role, but I'm still humbled by every student I en encounter and

DAN:

what they bring to the table for me.

DAN:

And yes, I have that role, but my goal is to see you all take up that role

DAN:

as well and share your knowledge with me cuz I will always be a steward of

DAN:

education and learning something new.

DAN:

And I hope this has been a benefit for you all listening and Hayden,

DAN:

pleasure to have you on the show, man.

DAN:

Aiden.

HAYDEN:

I appreciate it guys.

HAYDEN:

It's, I'm starting out doing this.

HAYDEN:

I'm, I'm, I love it already.

HAYDEN:

It's phenomenal.

HAYDEN:

Going back to the point is going for instructing you're never, whatever,

HAYDEN:

whatever role you're in by law, military, we're, we're never done training ever.

HAYDEN:

It never stops.

HAYDEN:

The clock never stops.

HAYDEN:

We can we gotta, we do what we can to teach what's the guys beneath us

HAYDEN:

and then learn from the guys above us.

VINCE:

That's perfect.

VINCE:

I guess from us all, and I guess it'll be a little bit of a teaser

VINCE:

here pushing this program out.

VINCE:

Look us up on social media, on Instagram at the WTL podcast.

VINCE:

Share a story of you doing these 20 pushups.

VINCE:

Yeah, take those entries.

VINCE:

And we will do a randomized number, and one of those individuals will

VINCE:

get the class paid for through us to go join us in a T E C C program.

VINCE:

How about that?

VINCE:

So we challenge you go do something better, right?

VINCE:

Go do 20 pushups.

VINCE:

Show us what you are doing to be a better educator, a better leader, a

VINCE:

better follower, a better father, a better mother, a better person, a better

VINCE:

partner, whatever it is, what is it that you are, be you are doing today to

VINCE:

make you a better person in your field?

VINCE:

Share it with us.

VINCE:

Share a story write out to us how, how can they reach out to us?

VINCE:

There, Busho, you can reach out to

BUCIO:

us on Instagram, like you said the, the WTO podcast at ca.

BUCIO:

You can do that cadre at the cre at WTO podcast dot.

BUCIO:

That's also another way to reach

VINCE:

out to us.

VINCE:

Okay.

VINCE:

Check up on yourselves.

VINCE:

Be willing to be checked up on, 9 88 is a new number for the National

VINCE:

Suicide Prevention outline.

VINCE:

Call them anytime they have their own channel for veterans as well.

VINCE:

Or call you, talk to us too.

VINCE:

We have a new business line.

VINCE:

8 4 4 stay wtl.

VINCE:

That is our business phone line.

VINCE:

And at some point all the ca members are gonna be tagged on

VINCE:

it, so somebody will answer.

VINCE:

And if not voicemail will be left and we will make sure we are

VINCE:

able to return that voicemail.

VINCE:

And if it's something when it comes to mental health,

VINCE:

we will guide you through it.

VINCE:

If it's something you wanna come to training, wanna participate and get

VINCE:

more information, get us to your agencies or just join us with a

VINCE:

conversation like Hayden is here today.

VINCE:

We welcome you all and we always have an open seat for you all.

VINCE:

So that is awesome.

VINCE:

Imed ied.

VINCE:

Don't forget that.

VINCE:

Ied.

VINCE:

Yep.

VINCE:

Look up.

VINCE:

Look up I that hour and a half, 1.5 hours of ConEd.

VINCE:

Everybody needs it.

VINCE:

We know you're coming.

VINCE:

Close.

VINCE:

Renewals coming up.

VINCE:

Go get it.

VINCE:

he just gave you that one and a half hour.

VINCE:

Definitely learned some new skills and traits but join, join a bigger and

VINCE:

better organization, and that's all about making you bigger and better every day.

VINCE:

So from us all here at the WTO podcast, be safe, be healthy, be fit,

VINCE:

be strong, be mindful, be educated.

VINCE:

And just remember to stay within thin lines.

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